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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    I don't think it is a conspiracy. Maybe it is just an accident. And people want to make full use of the incident to force its hand on NK on nuclear issue.

    Whatever it is, NK is in a lose-lose situation. It does not pay to be reclusive and isolated from the world. When your only friend turns his back on you. You are left on your own.
    i like this. now we just need see china's judgement

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    beside the torpedo thingy, that frigate was not sailing in its given normal operational route, now that is a question ? why such different direction on that very night ?

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    It is a warship.
    Not a merchant ship.
    Sailing into or near to waters of a country they are technically still at war with.

    When in such danger zone, surely SK warship not kooning right?
    Must be super alert in such dangerous waters.
    So how come SK warship cannot detect the so-called submarine?
    Wow.
    Did not know DPRK got such advanced submarines.
    If DPRK is so super advanced, then SK better not take on DPRK in battle.

    You mean so many experienced navy sailors on the SK warship cannot even tell whether they had been hit by a torpedo or what? or sea-mine or internal blast from some accident on the SK warship? How can that be?

    The explosive power of a torpedo must be great if it can split a warship into two.
    Then why is it that the torpedo housing, its component parts are still in nice pieces to be dredged up and displayed?
    Does that make common sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    It is a warship.
    Not a merchant ship.
    Sailing into or near to waters of a country they are technically still at war with.

    When in such danger zone, surely SK warship not kooning right?
    Must be super alert in such dangerous waters.
    So how come SK warship cannot detect the so-called submarine?
    Wow.
    Did not know DPRK got such advanced submarines.
    If DPRK is so super advanced, then SK better not take on DPRK in battle.

    You mean so many experienced navy sailors on the SK warship cannot even tell whether they had been hit by a torpedo or what? or sea-mine or internal blast from some accident on the SK warship? How can that be?

    The explosive power of a torpedo must be great if it can split a warship into two.
    Then why is it that the torpedo housing, its component parts are still in nice pieces to be dredged up and displayed?
    Does that make common sense?
    cause they ended with a ceasefire treaty. not peace, but ceasefire. meaning they arent supposed to shoot at each other for no good reason.

    and regarding the torpedo, i believe it was mentioned in ST that it was a human torpedo, or something along that line. where it is actually quite small, pretty much undetectable to begin with

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midget_submarine

    when u blow a torpedo, i believe its only the tip end that has explosives. the propellor shld be relatively undamaged on the other end.

    either way, today ST seems to imply sg stance that Nkorea did it. i'm waiting to see china's development, for if they do find the findings conclusive, which i hope they do, it would certainly carry more weight, seeing they are allies of Nkorea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    cause they ended with a ceasefire treaty. not peace, but ceasefire. meaning they arent supposed to shoot at each other for no good reason.

    and regarding the torpedo, i believe it was mentioned in ST that it was a human torpedo, or something along that line. where it is actually quite small, pretty much undetectable to begin with

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_torpedo
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midget_submarine

    when u blow a torpedo, i believe its only the tip end that has explosives. the propellor shld be relatively undamaged on the other end.

    either way, today ST seems to imply sg stance that Nkorea did it. i'm waiting to see china's development, for if they do find the findings conclusive, which i hope they do, it would certainly carry more weight, seeing they are allies of Nkorea.
    China is a "peaceful" nation. As always it will took a neutral stand because it is not their own ship that sank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kohweeloon View Post
    China is a "peaceful" nation. As always it will took a neutral stand because it is not their own ship that sank.
    well. but their only allies are in trouble. once nkorea is gone, china will be alone surrounded by a bunch of democratic countries. Nkorea is the nearest neighbour they have

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    i like this. now we just need see china's judgement
    Technically, China and NK are allies. But practically, NK does not seems to treat China as an ally. NK only wants food and oil from China for its army. NK is a ''military first'' nation, whatever their GDP majority goes to the military, food and oil goes to the military. To make things simple, NK does not in reality treat China as a big brother, only a friend who have advantages to take.

    If you have know after the 1st Korean War, there are no Chinese memorials burial sites for the People's Volunteer Army (PVA) who helped the NKorean Army. The 'Dear Leader - Kim's father' was instead honored as the one who 'repelled' the Americans and 'won the war' by its government. In its history, only the Korean People's Army 'fought the war bravely', no mention of the PVA's heroic deeds. Also there are no mentions of food aid from China in NK.

    This time, if China turn its back on NK, NK is the one who would not start a war. China also know if it is NK to sink the warship. A joint sanctions will pressure NK to give in. If NK wont give in, it might be a total destruction for NK in war, and you will see a 'pro-Chinese' NK leader replaced as the head of government for NK. China also wont want a war, it might turn out to be '2nd Agfhanistan in Asia' for the PLA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    It is a warship.
    Not a merchant ship.
    Sailing into or near to waters of a country they are technically still at war with.

    When in such danger zone, surely SK warship not kooning right?
    Must be super alert in such dangerous waters.
    So how come SK warship cannot detect the so-called submarine?
    Wow.
    Did not know DPRK got such advanced submarines.
    If DPRK is so super advanced, then SK better not take on DPRK in battle.

    You mean so many experienced navy sailors on the SK warship cannot even tell whether they had been hit by a torpedo or what? or sea-mine or internal blast from some accident on the SK warship? How can that be?

    The explosive power of a torpedo must be great if it can split a warship into two.
    Then why is it that the torpedo housing, its component parts are still in nice pieces to be dredged up and displayed?
    Does that make common sense?
    Fighter jets can evade enemy SAM or Air-to-Air missiles.

    But what about navy ships - are they sitting ducks that are easy target to enemy torpedo fired from Subs or even from navy ships. Are navy ships that defenceless or they need some other forms of protection?

    Just imagine a torpedo fired from a small ship at a huge aircraft carrier - dunno if a torpedo could sink an aircraft carrier.

    Looks like the NK submarine weapon not that backwards in terms of technology leh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by La Fontaine View Post
    Fighter jets can evade enemy SAM or Air-to-Air missiles.

    But what about navy ships - are they sitting ducks that are easy target to enemy torpedo fired from Subs or even from navy ships. Are navy ships that defenceless or they need some other forms of protection?

    Just imagine a torpedo fired from a small ship at a huge aircraft carrier - dunno if a torpedo could sink an aircraft carrier.

    Looks like the NK submarine weapon not that backwards in terms of technology leh.
    harder for them to dodge. usually sends counter missile and intercepts. u can easy fly at mark 3 in air, in water not so much.

    usually they have anti missile system one lar. dunno why cheonan so easy sink. could be because human sub torpedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    when u blow a torpedo, i believe its only the tip end that has explosives. the propellor shld be relatively undamaged on the other end.
    Sure or not?

    One article claims there maybe a US submarine that was sunk near the same place.
    And the Korean diver who died was diving rescue for the US sunken sub.
    Not the Korean war ship.

    http://www.japanfocus.org/-Tanaka-Sakai/3361

    http://news.aol.ca/ca/article/north-...-ship/19484798

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1053435AAtWPcY

    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/225887

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LE05Dg01.html

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    Well if they do go to war between SK and NK,this will definatly have a huge impact on the Asia economy especially for China.
    War breaks loose,other parties will suffer from the side effects.I doubt that some may want war so they can start a war economy between organizations of each county involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Sure or not?

    One article claims there maybe a US submarine that was sunk near the same place.
    And the Korean diver who died was diving rescue for the US sunken sub.
    Not the Korean war ship.

    http://www.japanfocus.org/-Tanaka-Sakai/3361

    http://news.aol.ca/ca/article/north-...-ship/19484798

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1053435AAtWPcY

    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/225887

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LE05Dg01.html
    oh yea in regard to ur conspiracy theories...

    check out ST today regarding the NS korea issues. seems like Nkorea has unleashed a series of cyber attacks by spreading word that south korea and many ppl are doubtful regarding the findings, by posing as south koreans themselves.

    sneaky
    i wont take the theories heavily. i'm still more likely to rely on each goverment's views and findings. and mainly china, since its their ally at trouble, any finding could draw either the world against them, or the loss of Nkorea. either way it wont benefit them.
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    not my theories.
    just read what other people say in the links.
    everyone has their own point of view, so it is not for us to say which is "correct" and which is conspiracy theory.

    we ordinary people do not know what is the truth.
    we only depend on what people write and tell us.

    this is a military matter and there are military secrets they cannot tell.

    we can only use our common sense
    when people tell us:

    a. a torpedo has such powerful explosives that it can split a warship into two; but after the explosion, the mechanism, the drive shaft and propeller are all intact.

    b. a torpedo is fired few days/weeks ago and when part of it is salvaged, there are barnacles grown extensively on the propeller blades. Barnacles take a long time to grow.

    c. the drive shaft looks straight and true and still in one piece after the contact and explosion. The torpedo is propelled at great speed. The warship it sank is metal hulled and sailing through the waters. when both contact, even if there is no explosion, at the very least the torpedo drive shaft should be a little bent. After such a great explosion, still can find the drive shaft in one piece and in great condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    not my theories.
    just read what other people say in the links.
    everyone has their own point of view, so it is not for us to say which is "correct" and which is conspiracy theory.

    we ordinary people do not know what is the truth.
    we only depend on what people write and tell us.

    this is a military matter and there are military secrets they cannot tell.

    we can only use our common sense
    when people tell us:

    a. a torpedo has such powerful explosives that it can split a warship into two; but after the explosion, the mechanism, the drive shaft and propeller are all intact.

    b. a torpedo is fired few days/weeks ago and when part of it is salvaged, there are barnacles grown extensively on the propeller blades. Barnacles take a long time to grow.

    c. the drive shaft looks straight and true and still in one piece after the contact and explosion. The torpedo is propelled at great speed. The warship it sank is metal hulled and sailing through the waters. when both contact, even if there is no explosion, at the very least the torpedo drive shaft should be a little bent. After such a great explosion, still can find the drive shaft in one piece and in great condition.
    well. then to address A, there is the bubble effect...

    to address B, are those really barnacles? i mean if it was such a glaring mistake, the armed forces would had realised. they look like metal that hasnt been corroded yet. or maybe torpedo has been sitting under the ocean for a long time before use.

    c: when was the torpedo propelled at great speeds? it was a midget sub remember?
    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/as...hip/index.html
    and midget subs cannot travel at great speeds. the diver would had died if it tried to
    estimated fastest speed of a midget sub, 19 knots. thats 9.7m/s, if my google calculator is right, 36km/hr. tats crusing already wad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    I would think the Israel situation is more likely to trigger a global war than the NK - SK.
    The world's focus has shifted. No one cares about NK-SK for now. Israel just cannot leave the spotlight for too long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    The world's focus has shifted. No one cares about NK-SK for now. Israel just cannot leave the spotlight for too long...
    yea. time to start a israel thread?

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    After WW2, was there any naval war where a ship was sunk by a torpedo or missile?

    The only case I remember was at the Falklands war where a British ship was sunk by an Exocet missile.

    It looks like firing a torpedo or missile at sea is pretty rare and even more so for a warship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by La Fontaine View Post
    After WW2, was there any naval war where a ship was sunk by a torpedo or missile?

    The only case I remember was at the Falklands war where a British ship was sunk by an Exocet missile.

    It looks like firing a torpedo or missile at sea is pretty rare and even more so for a warship.
    erm. usually they intercept

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    in the long run, the North will surrender to the South. Those new young leaders of China will think differently from current old ones, they will be more concerned about economic growth ~ make money etc.. and distanced themselves from NK. NK without support from China will eventually close shop and quit. Free food aid all the time ?? i dun think future leaders of China will like this idea ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exposure View Post
    in the long run, the North will surrender to the South. Those new young leaders of China will think differently from current old ones, they will be more concerned about economic growth ~ make money etc.. and distanced themselves from NK. NK without support from China will eventually close shop and quit. Free food aid all the time ?? i dun think future leaders of China will like this idea ...
    china has agenda for supporting nk.

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