If you go early and got a place in front, fair enough. But don't use a ladder and block all those behind. The event is probably meant to be viewed when public is standing on ground level. The performers stand on a stage so that MORE people can view! If it is meant to be viewed by the audience at same level with performers, the organisers probably don't need to use a stage in the first place! To stand at first row and be on same level as performers is downright inconsiderate behavior.
According to your line of arguments, are you saying that those who can afford it (the time, money) can take all they want w/o being considerate for others?
It is also about limited resources. Let's take NDP tickets as example.
For NDP tickets, Being first in the queue doesn't meant that you can take all the tickets w/o limits (like PG taking up the extended airspace above his natural height). It is just Not right. Please take your share and leave some room for others to enjoy too.
by standing on ladder IN FRONT, they are depriving others behind of a view. there is only so much space in the first row, not everyone can stand on first row.
Please be considerate and only occupy as much space as your natural height. Don't take up the extended airspace above your natural height by the use a ladder. You are defeating the purpose of the elevated stage and depriving others behind of their rightful share of views.
Want good angle, take a super zoom and ladder and shoot from behind.
Events are not meant to be viewed on ladders. What is the stage for? To elevate the performances so that people behind CAN SEE!!
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Nobody should complain that they can't go in or out easily; because "we get my spot by being quicker than the others" Anyone bystanders would bothers to point it out are self righteous and sour grapes.
Of course we COULD sit at the entrance (since we are early) but SHOULD we? Its about graciousness.
I don't see any false accusation on the LG at the front, they did stand on the ladders in front and block other people. For me, its not that ladders should not be allowed at events, but its just a effort not to select a spot that blocks so many others.
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Perhaps the organizers should also play a role and consider these LG/GWC when organizing events. If the space permits, they could easily "barricade" a small area few meters from the stage for PG's with ladders. Those without ladders could still stand in front of the stage to take pictures. How big an are would depend on the expected crowd turnout I guess.
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I've noticed more and more photographers with DSLRs are starting to swarm these events, especially those free ones like the one at Downtown East, presumably coz quite a large percentile of cosplayers are young females and some wearing fairly revealing outfits (think Sailor Moon short skirts style and the like) and these events are starting to resemble those auto shows where racequeens are swamped with photogs from all over, only difference is the "models" at these events are cosplayers in their teens. I've seen my share of bad behaviour at these events, some photogs ask them to pose in risque or uncomfortable poses, or take shots from low angles etc., some hog them or keep pestering them for shots even tho they seem uncomfortable with it or refuse their requests. A lot of them like to cut in and also block or obstruct other shooters. Usually the 1st photog who ask the cosplayer for shots will eventually get crowded out or obstructed before he can even get a decent shot.
Its become such that the photographers exhibiting such behaviours are becoming an annoyance not just to the cosplayers, but to other members of the public or attendees who are just there to enjoy the event and not getting pushed, stepped on or crowded out by them.
I've seen some familiar faces among these shooters, and some of them are also from the infamous "Ladder Gang" mentioned here. Also seen a small but noticeable no. of shooters with suspicious behaviours as mentioned by night86mare, e.g sniping secretly from far, or weird angles etc.
Already there have been some complaints started by cosplayers on the inconsiderate and rude behaviours of these questionable photographers. They are giving the rest a bad rep!
to balance the discussion, I came across a very senior PG at S.H.E event at Stadium MRT. He saw a lady who actually suffers from dwarf syndrome having difficulty taking pics of her idols and was most of the time towered by ppl taller than her by 1.5 - 2 times...real suffocating... the pg of coz did not offer her his step ladders...but he took the initiative to tell the first 2,3 rows of audience to let this lady move to the front as it was difficulty for her to stay in that position for >3 hrs...
Prior to this, I hv nv come across any PGs who took care of ppl around him/her
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At events, if there's a little buy or girl standing behind me, I'll just let them stand in front. After all, they will not block my camera.. just be considerate and everyone can have their share of fun
Wait, this isn't strictly a photographer-only problem... are the general public suppose to camp overnight and bring along ladders too, if they want unobstructed views?? What I can see is, a blanket "block-all" at the front line. If this doesn't stop, the public will just develop a general bitter after-taste for all photographers who fields a DSLR (not just those with ladders)... If that happens, it won't be long that we'll be forced to label the LG the "black sheeps" of our community. Mark my words... It should happen on Stomp anyday now... Talk about propagating negative stereotyping of photographers at events!
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