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    Here's 2 pics taken with the LX3...

    this is sweet.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Lx3 is reli quite cool...but for the macro one, is there any adapter?
    For LX3, a close up lens is probably needed to get that close to the fly e.g. Raynox 250

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Lx3 is reli quite cool...but for the macro one, is there any adapter?
    Nope... I didn't use any adaptors... just plain vanilla LX3
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    As others mentioned, bokeh is the quality of background blur. and it is more difficult to achieve back ground blur with PnS. Even the bokeh achieved (like in Macro mode) will not be that nice compared to what achieved by dslr.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?



    Taken with my PnS, certainly not the sharpest close-up I've ever seen, but I'm more intrigued with the background "rings" which I thought are what "Bokehs" are about? First time I've seen this from my cam. What do you guys think of it?
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    I always thought "Bokehs" are only possible with high-end PnS (with Manual modes) and DSLRS....
    Short answer: yes.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

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    Taken with my PnS, certainly not the sharpest close-up I've ever seen, but I'm more intrigued with the background "rings" which I thought are what "Bokehs" are about? First time I've seen this from my cam. What do you guys think of it?
    I think it is bad bokeh. oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    Taken with my PnS, certainly not the sharpest close-up I've ever seen, but I'm more intrigued with the background "rings" which I thought are what "Bokehs" are about? First time I've seen this from my cam. What do you guys think of it?
    i think those are bad bokeh too...

    as others said earlier, bokeh is quite subjective, can read the following links if you are interested.

    http://www.rickdenney.com/bokeh_test.htm
    http://toothwalker.org/optics/bokeh.html

    cheers

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by geraldkhoo View Post
    Nope... I didn't use any adaptors... just plain vanilla LX3
    No adapter...COOL! and the DOF is juz nice for Macro!
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    This is mine, taken with powershot.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Haha! No worries, I'm not expecting beautiful bokehs with my simple PnS. But at least I know now that it can be done (however crummy the sharpness of the close-up and bad the bokehs are).

    I think I know what bad bokehs are: the rings look like "Donuts"... while a good bokeh means glowly rounds without pronounced edges. A neutral means just white discs without pronouced edges and without the glowly center either...

    Thanks guys.

    But bad bokehs are still bokehs though, and are probably subjective from one person to another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    I always thought "Bokehs" are only possible with high-end PnS (with Manual modes) and DSLRS....
    I even had one done with my nokia N97 with a grasshopper as the focus and the background is blurred or "bokeh" like.

    So y not with a point and shoot which should be much better than my camera phone.

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    Taken with my PnS, certainly not the sharpest close-up I've ever seen, but I'm more intrigued with the background "rings" which I thought are what "Bokehs" are about? First time I've seen this from my cam. What do you guys think of it?
    This is ni-sen bokeh, which is considered bad bokeh.
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    With Powershot S5IS. Do excuse the oversaturation.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    As far as I know, DOF is determined only by:
    - lens' focal length
    - aperture
    - camera --> subject --> background distance

    To achieve a sufficiently out-of-focus background with a pns will require more physical separation between subject and background.

    The term "bokeh" should be put to bed I think... for some reason photographers think it's cool to use this term freely...
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    The original question posed was whether normal PnS can produce images with "bokehs". By normal I meant PnS cams without manual / aperture controls, etc... So, the answer is a "Yes"? Provided of course that we're shooting in pure Macro mode (with sufficient background distance) and not general walk-around shots that is...

    I know it's a bad bokeh from my image, and thank you for a more specific term ("ni-sen").

    If normal PnS cams can capture images with "beautiful" bokehs then that will be the day high-end PnS and DSLR users would cry foul play, wouldn't they?
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    I think most of the PnS cameras can achieve bokeh only when taking a subject that is relatively close. Played with my sis's digicam tt claimed to have a bokeh function, possible if taking a near subject but if taking a full body portrait then it's not really possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    As far as I know, DOF is determined only by:
    - lens' focal length
    - aperture
    - camera --> subject --> background distance

    To achieve a sufficiently out-of-focus background with a pns will require more physical separation between subject and background.

    The term "bokeh" should be put to bed I think... for some reason photographers think it's cool to use this term freely...
    And uh, sensor size.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by MARK1992 View Post
    And uh, sensor size.
    NOPE.
    Sensor size affects the focal length of the lens required to achieve the same field of view.
    So in actual fact sensor size does not directly affect depth of field...
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    The original question posed was whether normal PnS can produce images with "bokehs". By normal I meant PnS cams without manual / aperture controls, etc... So, the answer is a "Yes"? Provided of course that we're shooting in pure Macro mode (with sufficient background distance) and not general walk-around shots that is...

    I know it's a bad bokeh from my image, and thank you for a more specific term ("ni-sen").

    If normal PnS cams can capture images with "beautiful" bokehs then that will be the day high-end PnS and DSLR users would cry foul play, wouldn't they?
    actually your question is whether a normal PnS can produce images which render the background out of focus, am I right?
    The term 'bokeh' is incorrectly used in your question.
    Exploring! :)

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