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    Default Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    I always thought "Bokehs" are only possible with high-end PnS (with Manual modes) and DSLRS....

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    what is your verdict?

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    If you are able to choose " aperture " and match it with the " focal length " used, plus your subject " distance ".

    " distance " meaning... camera to foregrd and subject, subject and backgrd.
    To chieve " bokeh " result / effect, do the following ;

    * Set camera's ISO to lowest, e.g. 80, 50 or if there is a 25.
    * Choose file / image size to the largest.
    * Activate " anti-shake " device, if there is one.
    * Make sure your subject is within 2.0 m. ideally...1.5 m. ( especially for PnS camera. )
    * Shoot only head and shoulder composition.
    * Avoid full length portrait or groups.
    * Use maximum " zoom " range to shoot. ( not Macro, for it will cause distortion. Macro is meant for small / tiny object. )
    * Avoid using " A " mode at all cost.
    * Turn off auto flash.
    * Use " P " program mode, or
    * " T " speed mode, or
    * Sport mode.

    The principle is very simple... to cheat / fool the camera's programe to choose the maximum aperture.

    Enjoy your photography.
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    why not? juz probably not as nice...if your lens can be set at f2.0...then can try Macro mode...no zoom...take an object with background reasonably far...*tada* you get what you want...
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    I always thought "Bokehs" are only possible with high-end PnS (with Manual modes) and DSLRS....
    yes you can. try taking your subject up close about one arm's length. you can also switch to macro mode.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    all and all...all cameras fundamentally shares the same theory...pns is no exceptional...but if you are looking at having very nice creamy bokehs in background...then be prepared to be disappointed..
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    DOF is more difficult to control with PnS camera than with DSLR.

    The small imaging sensors of compact camera require the use of short focal lengths and this in turn gives these cameras an unusually long DOF when compared to DSLR camera.

    Thus intentionally getting a shallow DOF is more difficult.

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    why not BUT what kiduff results would you want?

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by brownie01 View Post
    why not BUT what kiduff results would you want?
    Yup..can b done, but results of coz nt as pleasing for sure...TS can try the setting I mentioned n see wat u get?...
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Very difficult to get them for PnS.

    The focal length (ie. distance between lens to sensor) is so short that DOF becomes large.
    Look at a compact camera and the actual FL are usually on the front of the lens. These are usually very small numbers like 5mm-20mm (this is also followed by its 35mm equivalent FL).

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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/843626@...7608674593209/

    LX3 has a max aperture at f2.0. Can take a look at this...
    And yes, everyone who mentioned "distance between lens to sensor" tt results in thicker depth of focus is correct...however, one can still play with the compact to get some..."bokehs"(as requested..)
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Yes. Heavily discussed to DEATH on here and even online. By the way, you can NEVER "achieve bokeh" since bokeh is a measurement of the quality of out of focus blur. If you want to get relevant results, do a search for "background blur" instead of "bokeh". Here's an example:

    http://www.canoncompact.com/shooting...lur-background

    http://www.ehow.com/how_5032276_blur...gital-slr.html
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Anyway, if you are those who do agree there's good bokeh and bad bokeh...
    then pns can only bring you the lower end of the spectrum since the lens cannot be changed...
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diavonex View Post
    DOF is more difficult to control with PnS camera than with DSLR.

    The small imaging sensors of compact camera require the use of short focal lengths and this in turn gives these cameras an unusually long DOF when compared to DSLR camera.

    Thus intentionally getting a shallow DOF is more difficult.
    Getting a shallow DOF is more difficult..it's true...but one is not deprived of out of focus blur anytime...thus, if TS is not looking to have creamy nice quality bokehs with the pns, then shdn't be a prob...
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    I shot this with my Sony H3 PnS; may not be the best example.


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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diavonex View Post
    I shot this with my Sony H3 PnS; may not be the best example.

    yeah! Finally, some examples...
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Here's 2 pics taken with the LX3...



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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Another example of what is possible with a PnS.


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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by geraldkhoo View Post
    Here's 2 pics taken with the LX3...



    Lx3 is reli quite cool...but for the macro one, is there any adapter?
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    Default Re: Is it possible to achieve "Bokehs" with normal PnS cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsketten View Post
    I always thought "Bokehs" are only possible with high-end PnS (with Manual modes) and DSLRS....
    i believe you are referring to background blur, "bokeh" is usually refer to the "quality" of the background blur which is not measurable and is quite subjective.

    to have maximum background blur, you can try the following:
    1. get as close to your object as possible
    2. zoom in to max.
    3. open your aperture to largest (if there is manual mode).
    4. choose a background that is as far as possible from your object.

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