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    Default Keep photos for future - Develop or save softcopy in HDD?

    Do you develop your photos(fav. shots) and store in photo albums as in the old way or do you keep your softcopy in hard disk drive(hdd) for future viewing...??

    *what I mean future is not 2,3 years later or what...I am referring to sharing with your kids, grandson etc what you went through when young

    Guys, can tell me what's your view on this?
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    Default Re: Keep photos for future - Develop or save softcopy in HDD?

    I still believe in hardcopy.
    Of course, I will keep the soft copy.

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    i print. there is still something tangibly special about having them for viewing and sharing.
    of course will keep a soft copy backup.

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    Your HDD might not last that long (bit rot).

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    Default Re: Keep photos for future - Develop or save softcopy in HDD?

    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post
    Your HDD might not last that long (bit rot).

    HDD memory are tested to last at least 10 years... So anybody supports the idea of changing HDD every 10 years as this might cost lower than developing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcanopy View Post
    i print. there is still something tangibly special about having them for viewing and sharing.
    of course will keep a soft copy backup.

    ryan
    Same.. I'll save on HDD and print those which are good.

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    a mixture of both? softcopy on HD allows me to save all my photos.
    I will only print out those that I think are good enough for printing

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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post
    Your HDD might not last that long (bit rot).
    On the top cover of the HDD, there is a micro filter to provide air circulation to the internal of the HDD to filter off the internal contamination and moisture will get into the HDD after some time. Therefore, I kept my HDD in the dry box to avoid moisture built up, as the moisture build up will cause head stiction issue ( R/W head sticts on the media platters) and resulting in the spindle not able to spin up.
    To keep the HDD for long life : power up may be once every two weeks, and avoid moisture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    On the top cover of the HDD, there is a micro filter to provide air circulation to the internal of the HDD to filter off the internal contamination and moisture will get into the HDD after some time. Therefore, I kept my HDD in the dry box to avoid moisture built up, as the moisture build up will cause head stiction issue ( R/W head sticts on the media platters) and resulting in the spindle not able to spin up.
    To keep the HDD for long life : power up may be once every two weeks, and avoid moisture.
    ooh...logical in techincal point of view...May I check in your case, what's the longest storing+still working HDD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    ooh...logical in techincal point of view...May I check in your case, what's the longest storing+still working HDD?

    The longest is around 3 months and is still working. Need to power up more often; both the R/W heads and disk Platters have very smooth surface in order for the heads to take off, they stict together due to some external factors. Humidity is one of them. The longest you did not power up the HDD, the highest chance the stiction will occur.


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    Not only printing is expensive, prints will fade too...

    I save on HDD, prints very few, but I do some major house-keeping and upgrade HDD every 1 or 2 years to ensure all in working condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Do you develop your photos(fav. shots) and store in photo albums as in the old way or do you keep your softcopy in hard disk drive(hdd) for future viewing...??

    *what I mean future is not 2,3 years later or what...I am referring to sharing with your kids, grandson etc what you went through when young

    Guys, can tell me what's your view on this?
    Wow, to share the photo with your grandsons , your backup system much be very solid. Even today, USB key (can also get corrupted), DVD disk ( life span 30 years but think I Won't last that long), HDD ( it depends whether you have a good HDD). May be you should print some hard copy and at least you have something to show.

    I also create DVD video disk with PHOTO DVD MAKER so that you can watch them on TV.
    Whether my grand kids can watch them 20 to 30 years later, I will let you know when the time comes
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    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    The longest is around 3 months and is still working. Need to power up more often; both the R/W heads and disk Platters have very smooth surface in order for the heads to take off, they stict together due to some external factors. Humidity is one of them. The longest you did not power up the HDD, the highest chance the stiction will occur.


    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/lo...hDecision=-203

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction
    Excerpt:

    Modern hard drives have mostly solved the stiction problem by using ramps to "unload" the heads from the disk surface on power-down. These ramps ensure the heads are not touching the platters, which not only prevents stiction but also keeps abrasion from kicking up microscopic particulates that can later contaminate the drive mechanism. Parking the heads in this manner also allows the voice coil actuator to be shut down to save power, so the heads are also frequently unloaded when the drive is idle.

    Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction

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    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    The longest is around 3 months and is still working. Need to power up more often; both the R/W heads and disk Platters have very smooth surface in order for the heads to take off, they stict together due to some external factors. Humidity is one of them. The longest you did not power up the HDD, the highest chance the stiction will occur.


    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/lo...hDecision=-203

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction

    Yup, power up generates heat to purge the moisture too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    HDD memory are tested to last at least 10 years... So anybody supports the idea of changing HDD every 10 years as this might cost lower than developing?
    i used to backup on duplicate DVDs, and one copy for shelving, one copy for use if needed. Recently all backuped on duplicated bluerays

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    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    I also create DVD video disk with PHOTO DVD MAKER so that you can watch them on TV.
    Whether my grand kids can watch them 20 to 30 years later, I will let you know when the time comes
    wahaha...me too..dun even noe if I wud have a son or not...kaoz...
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    Default Re: Keep photos for future - Develop or save softcopy in HDD?

    Quote Originally Posted by kklee View Post
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    Modern hard drives have mostly solved the stiction problem by using ramps to "unload" the heads from the disk surface on power-down. These ramps ensure the heads are not touching the platters, which not only prevents stiction but also keeps abrasion from kicking up microscopic particulates that can later contaminate the drive mechanism. Parking the heads in this manner also allows the voice coil actuator to be shut down to save power, so the heads are also frequently unloaded when the drive is idle.

    Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction
    Well, this design overcomes the stiction problem, but it has the following problems:
    1) Head Slam issue - head slams on the disk platter due to improper unload. This causes dings or scratches on disk.
    2) Contamination due to chip off from the plastic material during load/unload process.
    3) Occasionally cannot unload the heads due to insufficient torque to overcome the ramp.

    I hope the latest design has overcome these problems.

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    I start to digitized my slide / print 20 years ago. I used syquest /iomega removable disk/ shutter disk / 3.5 and 5.25 inch MOl disk/ 8mm tape /DLT tape.

    Removable disk is all gone, no longer in manufacturing for the drive or disk. 20mb/40mb/80mb/200mb for syquest. iomega to 4GB.

    Shutter disk is using scsi / fast scsi bus, interface to computer is a problem no longer supported or need special hardware software to read.

    MO disk the best, media very little problem and very reliable. However I think is very hard to find a drive in the market now. I have 40 of the cartridge. 128mb/230MB/640MB for 3.5inch. 250MB/550MB/1.2GB/2.3GB for 5.25 inch. Backward compatible is only 1 generation. a 1.2GB drive will not read 250MB cartridge. Same with most of all others device.

    8mm tape not very reliable after more then 10 times of read re-write.

    DLT is faster and better then 8mm. But then, 10GB/20GB/40GB/80GB xxxxxGB and when the new formate is out you better copy all to the new type, or you get stuck again.

    My slide and print age between 15 to 35 years Colour print fade 20 to 60%, E6 process slide fade 20-80%, kodachrome fade 10% but at least I can visual, and still available. BW same as 35 years ago, just a bit yellowish.

    all computer/digital storage is about 100% no problem. Because no hardware to verify.

    CD is better then DVD is better then Re-writable CD. I have DVD cannot read by new drive.
    I also have disc left in car, and after a hot sun bath, not readable. Just crash a hard disk last month and the disk is only 2 years old. Replace my D70 memory card reader because it give a error message to me and my card just bobo off.

    So? Hee hee

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    Quote Originally Posted by kutten View Post
    Well, this design overcomes the stiction problem, but it has the following problems:
    1) Head Slam issue - head slams on the disk platter due to improper unload. This causes dings or scratches on disk.
    2) Contamination due to chip off from the plastic material during load/unload process.
    3) Occasionally cannot unload the heads due to insufficient torque to overcome the ramp.

    I hope the latest design has overcome these problems.
    I think one solution is not to power off the hard disk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zk-diq View Post
    I start to digitized my slide / print 20 years ago. I used syquest /iomega removable disk/ shutter disk / 3.5 and 5.25 inch MOl disk/ 8mm tape /DLT tape.

    Removable disk is all gone, no longer in manufacturing for the drive or disk. 20mb/40mb/80mb/200mb for syquest. iomega to 4GB.

    Shutter disk is using scsi / fast scsi bus, interface to computer is a problem no longer supported or need special hardware software to read.

    MO disk the best, media very little problem and very reliable. However I think is very hard to find a drive in the market now. I have 40 of the cartridge. 128mb/230MB/640MB for 3.5inch. 250MB/550MB/1.2GB/2.3GB for 5.25 inch. Backward compatible is only 1 generation. a 1.2GB drive will not read 250MB cartridge. Same with most of all others device.

    8mm tape not very reliable after more then 10 times of read re-write.

    DLT is faster and better then 8mm. But then, 10GB/20GB/40GB/80GB xxxxxGB and when the new formate is out you better copy all to the new type, or you get stuck again.

    My slide and print age between 15 to 35 years Colour print fade 20 to 60%, E6 process slide fade 20-80%, kodachrome fade 10% but at least I can visual, and still available. BW same as 35 years ago, just a bit yellowish.

    all computer/digital storage is about 100% no problem. Because no hardware to verify.

    CD is better then DVD is better then Re-writable CD. I have DVD cannot read by new drive.
    I also have disc left in car, and after a hot sun bath, not readable. Just crash a hard disk last month and the disk is only 2 years old. Replace my D70 memory card reader because it give a error message to me and my card just bobo off.

    So? Hee hee
    Wow brother, you have such a big technology investment. I believe the cartridges are not cheap and you have 40 of them

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