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    The setting listed below is fictional but the main point is a real story.

    Hypothetically, I'm working in a small printing firm, mainly dealing with menus for restaurants. Sometimes our customers will ask if we can take some shots of their dishes cos they didn't have one. My boss would ask me to take them because he knew I had a DSLR and had a bit of experience with it. I grudgingly agreed although made some noise about my camera having a "lifespan" (ie. shutter life) of which I wasn't being compensated for.

    Two months ago, my boss then decided to get a DSLR for the company. He asked me for recommendations with a budget and I recommended a Canon system.

    Last week he came back and smiled at me, saying he bought the camera. He said,'Oh, I bought a Nikon, cos it's a better camera. The guy at the shop told me a lot about cameras that I didn't know. That Canon's main business is in copiers while Nikon's is in cameras. That's why Nikon cameras are better. They know what they are doing. Which makes sense and that's why I bought a Nikon D90." He was all smiles cos he made an "informed choice".

    Now I'm supposed to teach anyone who wants to learn to use the camera. Now I have nothing against teaching stuff like Aperture/Shutter/ISO. But being a Canon user, I made it clear that I wouldn't be familiar with the Nikon, nor would I be as comfortable using it. Didn't have the heart to tell him that the D90 may be reaching EOL soon and probably why they wanted to "clear stock".

    What would you do? I'm gonna find out which shop is it that said the above...... to be updated.
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    I would want to keep my ricebowl..

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    Just teach him what you can and be done with it. It's his decision, after all.

    Btw, the D90 is still a very capable camera despite its possible EOL(?).

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    Default Re: What would you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sivakis View Post
    The setting listed below is fictional but the main point is a real story.

    Hypothetically, I'm working in a small printing firm, mainly dealing with menus for restaurants. Sometimes our customers will ask if we can take some shots of their dishes cos they didn't have one. My boss would ask me to take them because he knew I had a DSLR and had a bit of experience with it. I grudgingly agreed although made some noise about my camera having a "lifespan" (ie. shutter life) of which I wasn't being compensated for.

    Two months ago, my boss then decided to get a DSLR for the company. He asked me for recommendations with a budget and I recommended a Canon system.

    Last week he came back and smiled at me, saying he bought the camera. He said,'Oh, I bought a Nikon, cos it's a better camera. The guy at the shop told me a lot about cameras that I didn't know. That Canon's main business is in copiers while Nikon's is in cameras. Which makes sense and that's why I bought a Nikon D90." He was all smiles cos he made an "informed choice".

    Now I'm supposed to teach anyone who wants to learn to use the camera. Now I have nothing against teaching stuff like Aperture/Shutter/ISO. But being a Canon user, I made it clear that I wouldn't be familiar with the Nikon, nor would I be as comfortable using it. Didn't have the heart to tell him that the D90 may be reaching EOL soon and probably why they wanted to "clear stock".

    What would you do? I'm gonna find out which shop is it that said the above...... to be updated.
    Just smile and congrats him for making a wise choice.

    if later he ask you about how to use the camera, just simply tell him you are not familiar with Nikon system, recommend him to go to Nikonians forum to seek advices.

    and what for waste your time to find out who says that, don't you have other better things to do?
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    no one wants to look like a fool.

    Use this chance to learn how to use Nikon.
    It is a good thing.
    Take adversity positively.

    and most salesmen will say anything to sell, so if this shop don't do it. Other shops will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cartman2000 View Post
    Just teach him what you can and be done with it. It's his decision, after all.

    Btw, the D90 is still a very capable camera despite its possible EOL(?).
    I definitely agree. What I've read about the D90 has been pretty positive despite it being a 2008 model.

    Just can't believe there are shops who would say such things...

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    Since he already bought it and its the right tool for the job, I'll just leave it as it is.

    If he turns out to have an interest in photography, he'll find out for his own whether those statements are true (obviously not).
    If he doesn't and that's gonna be his only camera for a long time, then it wouldn't make a difference to have that knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post

    and what for waste your time to find out who says that, don't you have other better things to do?
    Cos I "bo liao" lor lol. I'll most likely use this situation to learn a different camera system and still teach those in the company who wish to learn.

    Just shaking my head atm.

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    Your love for the brand Canon is admirable...

    Truth is, the shopkeeper kind of stretched the facts to his advantage to sell a product. Isn't that what most good marketing people do?
    Canon is a very big player in the photocopier business. Depending on how familiar one is with the company, he/she could be forgiven for thinking that Canon's main business is in photocopiers. Just like if I ask you what is Mitsubishi's core business, you might say motor cars, right?

    If the shop owner said "Canon only good for making copiers, not like Nikon concentrating on cameras", then I think that's taking a bit too far.
    but if he said "Canon's main business is in copiers, whereas Nikon's is in cameras..." and leaves it open-ended.... well, then you draw your own conclusions and so be it.

    ps: If someone asks me "canon or nikon", I would 100% say "nikon", since i'm biased. But who isn't?
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    Well, i can't be bothered. Its his money, his judgement and whatever actions he taken based on what he perceive. But i won't beg to differ either as imho D90 is a capable cam model though its time for an update after almost 2 years..

    And why bother finding out which shop that passed the above statements, What would it matters? i wont lose sleep over such things, i rather be out there shooting
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    I also won't buy Sony TV because their main business is in Betamax video and cassette tape walkman. Don't ask me to get PSP3 either because that is not their main business. Headphone? Hmm.. can think about it. Laptops? No way! Camera...



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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    Just smile and congrats him for making a wise choice.

    if later he ask you about how to use the camera, just simply tell him you are not familiar with Nikon system, recommend him to go to Nikonians forum to seek advices.

    and what for waste your time to find out who says that, don't you have other better things to do?
    Quote Originally Posted by clioboy View Post
    no one wants to look like a fool.

    Use this chance to learn how to use Nikon.
    It is a good thing.
    Take adversity positively.

    and most salesmen will say anything to sell, so if this shop don't do it. Other shops will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sivakis View Post
    I definitely agree. What I've read about the D90 has been pretty positive despite it being a 2008 model.

    Just can't believe there are shops who would say such things...
    Quote Originally Posted by Sivakis View Post
    Cos I "bo liao" lor lol. I'll most likely use this situation to learn a different camera system and still teach those in the company who wish to learn.

    Just shaking my head atm.

    Ahh ... what to do if want to keep ricebowl.

    Look on the bright side: GOT FREE CAMERA TO PLAY WITH! WHEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And as regards the salesman BS:

    A Short History of Nippon Kogaku Japan

    Nippon Kogaku, K.K., or Japan Optical Co., was formed on July 25, 1917, by the merger of three small optical firms, one of which dated back to 1881. They began with some 200 employees and eight German technicians who were invited in July of 1919 and arrived in January of 1921. They were actually an optical firm and not a camera manufacturer, therefore, their beginnings parallel those of Leitz and Zeiss, who also began as optical manufacturers.

    They began to produce a vast array of optical products such as microscopes, telescopes, transits, surveying equipment and optical measuring devices for industry and science. Because of the types of products they made they became well known in the scientific and industrial communities but not to the general consumer.
    http://www.nikonhs.org/history.html

    But don't use that info to spite your boss lah ... just FYI. IIRC, there are a few other 'camera' brands that didn't start out as camera manufacturers, but mainly optical and scientific companies ... one company which produced some of the world's most stunning 35mm lenses actually started out as a pharmacy! (Konica) and surely many have heard of the prestigious and widely acclaimed Hassleblad cameras right? Well, guess what? They started out as a trading company and also sell Kodak film!

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    Default Re: What would you do?

    I'm use to driving a Toyota.

    Give me a Nissan, I'll still be able to drive it after a little while.

    Same apply to cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diavonex View Post
    I'm use to driving a Toyota.

    Give me a Nissan, I'll still be able to drive it after a little while.

    Same apply to cameras.
    More like I'm used to Microsoft Windows (yeah, yeah, despite how F'ed up it can be). Give me a Mac and I'll stumble for a while. Ask me to teach on a Mac? Errrr, I know what I want to do, just gonna take a while longer.

    Not unhappy that he chose a Nikon. Afterall, his company, his money. Just that now he expects me to be able to grab the thing and start shooting without much hands-on - he keeps it nicely locked in his office and I will probably only get to "hands-on" only when there are shoots to do for our customers.

    Now I remember what my mom always said to me - Aiyah, work for people, it's like that one. Must learn to tolerate all manners of sh!t from those who pay you....

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    Boss is always right, going along the same way is the way to your future success.
    I would love to learn a new system if I were given a chance. Take it as a challenge

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    While keeping your job, learn the Nikon system.

    Get him to buy additional lenses and flashes/strobes for your field, and make use of it to further your hobby. Make it such that it can become your 2nd line of income.

    Make sure you teach the bare minimum for them to get by, and anything more, you do it yourself. so you would always be indispensable.

    Good luck bro, and cheers!

    PS: At least you can sneak out the Nikon out for shoots too! Hehehehe
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    I often heard the pet pharse "Nikon is better because it only specialise in optics" even among photographers. How true is that is very much subjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingaroo View Post
    While keeping your job, learn the Nikon system.

    Get him to buy additional lenses and flashes/strobes for your field, and make use of it to further your hobby. Make it such that it can become your 2nd line of income.

    Make sure you teach the bare minimum for them to get by, and anything more, you do it yourself. so you would always be indispensable.

    Good luck bro, and cheers!

    PS: At least you can sneak out the Nikon out for shoots too! Hehehehe
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    Buy some SB800s and SB900s to use on SU-4 optical sensor mode so you can use it even on your Canon system for wireless triggering ^^
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    recommend a few lenses to go with the D90.... and ask for some lighting set up etc etc

    to save money for firm..... ask to keep the cam n lenses at home in YOUR drybox

    now u have 2 systems
    shaddap and just shoot .... up close
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