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    Quote Originally Posted by sehsuan
    I would highly recommend you to seek out books on sports ideaology and Olympism and figure out more for yourself. In the earlier part of the 20th century, countries actually had hidden agendas like supremacy and politics behind sports.

    How well do you understand sport? Soccer is only but one of the many forms of sport.
    I would highly recommend you to take a reality check. We are in the early part of the TWENTY-FIRST century now. Money is everything now. Just look at how much they are paying the players???

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    Quote Originally Posted by sehsuan
    in your existing mindset, you are only thinking of losing. why not a chance of a draw? or even an upset?

    you have to change your mindset. like in a court, no one is guilty until proven so. likewise, play out the match, then decide who will win, or lose.
    can't blame when the best team in singapore struggle to draw with albirex niigata (under 22 players of a japanese league team)

    we are facing a star studded japanese national team (shinji ono, hidetoshi nakata, nakamura, junichi inamoto) who at least got into world cup 3 times?

    if we have a national team with the standards like thailand..yes..i think we will have a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaren
    of equal importance are teamwork, fitness, mental strength (never-say-die-attitude) and tactical acumen (need a good coach for this).
    sad to say, all of which our players don't have..

    by 70th minute, you see them strolling around the park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    I am an eternal optimist. I believe in Singapore team. I believe a draw or Japanese goalie lets the ball goes past between his legs by mistake.

    This will lift the national spirits and every kid wants to throw out the homework and makes a ball out of newspaper and play it.

    BANSAI!
    then their parents will bring out the cane...
    haha or worse still threaten the kid.."no study, no playstation"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sehsuan
    I would highly recommend you to seek out books on sports ideaology and Olympism and figure out more for yourself. In the earlier part of the 20th century, countries actually had hidden agendas like supremacy and politics behind sports.

    How well do you understand sport? Soccer is only but one of the many forms of sport.
    well i don't mind politics is "involved" behind sports. but are our politicians really interested in sports? they only interested in telling people to have babies or increase our MRT/bus fares.

    if hidden agendas behind sports can bring glory, can make me feel proud of my team, yes please.

    i was at the olympics in sydney four years ago. i saw so much pride among the australians and the americans when they were supporting their team (especially for swimming).

    if u see the way the koreans unite during a game which they are not famous for being good in (i watched baseball - korea vs cuba). it's like a carnival, even the pompom girls are sponsored by some korea companies (samsung i think) to help bring up the atmosphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sehsuan

    How well do you understand sport? Soccer is only but one of the many forms of sport.
    Well, isn't this thread ABOUT soccer? Why digress?

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    anyone know when is the match and is it shown live on tv
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysonlovenemo
    anyone know when is the match and is it shown live on tv
    thanks
    heard that they are going to show live on tv (channel i i supposed), it's on Wednesday 31 March 2004 8pm.

    stupid FAS holding the match in jalan besar instead of national stadium (for rugby)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sehsuan
    I would highly recommend you to seek out books on sports ideaology and Olympism and figure out more for yourself. In the earlier part of the 20th century, countries actually had hidden agendas like supremacy and politics behind sports.

    How well do you understand sport? Soccer is only but one of the many forms of sport.
    Yeah, you're right man! But the time that you mentioned is earlier part of the 20th century (where the police still wear shorts). The time is different now...money is the motivation that drives the game!
    Give David Beckham $2000 per month to play for his country, see if he wants to do it or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic
    I would highly recommend you to take a reality check. We are in the early part of the TWENTY-FIRST century now. Money is everything now. Just look at how much they are paying the players???
    Yes. The portion that I did not include in is the shift for sports to be money driven. Athletes with appearance fees etc. There is an apparent transition from altruistic aims (to win for the country) to financial aims. This is also covered in the course I went through.

    akane, I have to agree with you regarding local politicians and sports. But there has been at least two major moves made in the recent years:
    1. The Ministry of Community Development has been renamed the Ministry of Community Development and Sports
    2. The Singapore Sports School, which was started partly because of recommendations to PM Goh by a report submitted to him by COSS (Committee on Sporting Singapore).

    I have once taken part in a footrace at least 5 years back, where the GOH flagging us off was a Minister (which one, don't ask me, I would rather be more concerned with my race), who came decked out to start a footrace wearing golfing attire. Just can't recall if it was long pants or golf shorts he wore, but flagging off in a totally unrelated attire? At least the Sheares Bridge Run was flagged off by the COA/COD in running gear. Now that shows a fair deal about how involved a person is in the event.

    By the way, if you followed the papers, FAS only got to know of the fixtures way after the SRU booked the stadium from SSC. So guess who gets the priority? SRU came first, and claims that they cannot allow the match to be played while they go elsewhere, because they're also expecting an international crowd of rugby supporters anyway. Dilemma - SG/JP match, we get Japanese soccer fans. Rugby - we get local and many other foreign supporters. What would you do if you were the person responsible for making the decision of who to loan the stadium to, in SSC? Personally I would stick to the current arrangement of rugby in the National Stadium, and the soccer match in Jalan Besar.

    XXX_Boy, you may want to read the earlier part of my post. Acknowledged that times have changed, but if you are only interested solely in betting, are you really contributing to soccer?

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    yes sehsuan, i applauded the effort made by the government to start the sport school. we need that one badly.
    hope we will have some champions in future who will make us proud!

    the rugby is on 3rd and 4th April, but the match is on 31 March.
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    I remember reading abt an article comparing Singapore with another small country who qualified for World Cup. I think it was Croatia.

    They compared what the 2 countries did to "prepare" for world cup, Croatia had plenty of funds, built many football fields to nurture the young, and spot the talent early to give them more room for improvement.

    Croatia had millons more funds devoted to the sport than Singapore and yet singapore claims it is "doing all it can" to prepare for World Cup 2010...?

    I recall one promising local footballer (from Geylang, I think), he was caught placing a bet in S-league but not on matches that his own team was playing.

    He later told reporters that the local footballers are paid ard $3500 max, while the foreign talents are $5000 max. There was a salary cap on the local footballers. Which is why he turned to side bet to increase his income..

    what!!?? $3500 per month only? Football or sports is a short career and by 30 or 32 you are well out of your prime.
    So I feel $3500 is not enough to make Singaporean consider making football their career.

    I think looking at the number of Singaporeans with gold cards, I think most singaporeans make more $$ than the footballers.

    The entire salary of the National Team including manager and coach would probably not even pay beckham's salary to play for 45mins.

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    singapore national team? zero passion, zero commitment, zero pride. unlike the team in choo seng quee's time. dare to complain no support. when a lot of supporters turn up they lose 4-0, and say not used to play in front of so many people. idiots. anyway i think 5-0 is about the right score.

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    when I was 20 studying in Australia, I played for 2nd division of Australia soccer league. We had a coach (being paid) and we travelled around by bus and train to play away match. We trained on the pitch, went for gym and sat in classroom for tactics lesson.

    The club was earning small amount of money from sponsor, prices, tickets...etc..and each one was paid allowance to travel for training.

    when I was back to malaysia for holiday, i was scouted by a singaporean coach. he told me to come down to singapore to have a trial.

    By then, i have to stop and studies. Is it worth ???

    The max a player (singaporean) can earn in S league is SGD4000 a month.

    Of course, it is not worth to stop my studies and switch to football industry.
    The paid is too little.

    Think about this, if u are already very good Singaporean footballer, and if u are already being paid SGD4000 a month. What is your incentive to make u to push u for further progress ??

    If there is a limit of wages, there is a limit of performance.

    Btw, S-League is the most well paid professional footballer in South East Asian. yet they are one of the poorest team in the region.
    I could not figure out why ???
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    Singapore Football Team don't chase after the ball. They always have to wait for the ball to come to them or waiting for the ball to stop in front of them before the kick. Hahaha .

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmacs
    singapore national team? zero passion, zero commitment, zero pride. unlike the team in choo seng quee's time. dare to complain no support. when a lot of supporters turn up they lose 4-0, and say not used to play in front of so many people. idiots. anyway i think 5-0 is about the right score.
    Yeah, I think the "not used to playing in front of so many supporters" is not only a poor excuse, but it was also an insult to the fans who came to support them and indirectly telling the fans to "buzz off".

    If I had been one of the fans cheering and waving the team only to have the team telling reporters that they are not used to having me there... I feel hurt and unwelcomed.

    The least they could have done was to Thank the fans and promise to lose by a smaller margain the next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston
    Yeah, I think the "not used to playing in front of so many supporters" is not only a poor excuse, but it was also an insult to the fans who came to support them and indirectly telling the fans to "buzz off".

    If I had been one of the fans cheering and waving the team only to have the team telling reporters that they are not used to having me there... I feel hurt and unwelcomed.

    The least they could have done was to Thank the fans and promise to lose by a smaller margain the next time.
    hey i am one of those idiots supporting them
    very TL after that u know .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong_se
    Btw, S-League is the most well paid professional footballer in South East Asian. yet they are one of the poorest team in the region.
    I could not figure out why ???
    S$4000 may seems well paid to a Vietnamese for example but the high cost of living in Singapore also means the money is very small.
    $4000 minus CPF = $3200 only.

    Secondly, for poor countries, playing well or excelling in a sport is a way out of poverty.

    Winning a medal, brings pride for the country, but looking at the prize money for gold and silver in the SEA games and the clause that the prize money is only for up to 3 medals, meaning the 4th medal will not be liable for prize money. And that if the event is a team or relay event, the prize money is further divided and shared by the team members, making the individual's share look like a consolation prize from 4D or TOTO.

    The country is not rewarding it's sports man and woman well enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysonlovenemo
    hey i am one of those idiots supporting them
    very TL after that u know .....
    sorry to hear about that. i can only imagine how you felt. was it nazri who made that comment? bloody idiot.

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    The country is not rewarding it's sports man and woman well enough.
    If this holds true,

    Vietnam and Malaysia reward the players less than Singapore, but why they are a better team than Singapore ??

    This is what I dun understand. being reward better yet perform poorer.

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