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    Hi,
    im thinking of getting an nd filter for my sigma 10-20(77mm).. may i ask what size of nd filter should i get to prevent vignetting issues? help appreciated
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    Default Re: how to prevent vignetting with nd filter

    No other sizes except 77mm will fit.......

    You will want to look for a slim filter, if you are concerned about vignetting.

    As to what "slim" is, maybe someone else can give better advice on this.

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    hmmm thks..will it be better to use a step up ring and get maybe a 86mm nd filter?
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    Default Re: how to prevent vignetting with nd filter

    Quote Originally Posted by chuanzuya View Post
    hmmm thks..will it be better to use a step up ring and get maybe a 86mm nd filter?
    Definitely not...

    You are bound to get vignetting if you do that.

    Basically, the more you stack in front of a wideangle lens, the more likely and the worse vignetting you will get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspenx View Post
    Definitely not...

    You are bound to get vignetting if you do that.

    Basically, the more you stack in front of a wideangle lens, the more likely and the worse vignetting you will get.
    icic.. ok thks for the advise..
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspenx View Post
    Definitely not...

    You are bound to get vignetting if you do that.

    Basically, the more you stack in front of a wideangle lens, the more likely and the worse vignetting you will get.
    Is it really? For a 86mm on a 77mm, I think You'll need plenty of stacking up b4 the vignetting comes into play. I'd be more concerned with the extra $$$ to get a 86mm filter than a 77mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuanzuya View Post
    Hi,
    im thinking of getting an nd filter for my sigma 10-20(77mm).. may i ask what size of nd filter should i get to prevent vignetting issues? help appreciated
    Another option is is to get those rectangular or square filters (Slot in) like Lee's or Singh Ray.
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    You will not see noticeable vignette with a single slim filter unless you stack it with other filters like CPL, UV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numnumball View Post
    Another option is is to get those rectangular or square filters (Slot in) like Lee's or Singh Ray.
    no need expensive filters ma. any rectangular ND filter placed smack nxt to the lens will eliminate the vignetting. of course for very long exposures u cannot be handholding it always, and i tried using blue sticky tags to place the filters and lens in close proximity before
    ( so much so for taking care of filters and lenses )

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspenx View Post
    Definitely not...

    You are bound to get vignetting if you do that.

    Basically, the more you stack in front of a wideangle lens, the more likely and the worse vignetting you will get.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrSpock View Post
    Is it really? For a 86mm on a 77mm, I think You'll need plenty of stacking up b4 the vignetting comes into play. I'd be more concerned with the extra $$$ to get a 86mm filter than a 77mm
    It doesn't matter how much, or how little one stacks.

    What matters is the angle that the stacking creates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcanopy View Post
    no need expensive filters ma. any rectangular ND filter placed smack nxt to the lens will eliminate the vignetting. of course for very long exposures u cannot be handholding it always, and i tried using blue sticky tags to place the filters and lens in close proximity before
    ( so much so for taking care of filters and lenses )

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    So if i use the 77mm fader filter vignetting wont really be noticeable rite? cuz i saw one in mass sale for $100
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuanzuya View Post
    So if i use the 77mm fader filter vignetting wont really be noticeable rite? cuz i saw one in mass sale for $100
    It will be visible at 10mm. Because its super thick, easily 10mm or so thick which is the thickness of 2 'regular' filters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabee View Post
    It will be visible at 10mm. Because its super thick, easily 10mm or so thick which is the thickness of 2 'regular' filters.
    hmmm can tis be solved if i use a "fix-ed" nd filter? like say ND 4 or ND8 i guess that shud be thinner
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuanzuya View Post
    hmmm can tis be solved if i use a "fix-ed" nd filter? like say ND 4 or ND8 i guess that shud be thinner
    Yes, as long as you only have 1 of those on with no other filters, its fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    It doesn't matter how much, or how little one stacks.

    What matters is the angle that the stacking creates.
    True. But TS was just asking generally......

    If it wasn't for the angle, all those square/rectangular filters won't work cos the "mount" is already quite thick.

    But generally speaking, the more common step-up rings do introduce vignetting? Please correct if my understanding on this is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspenx View Post
    True. But TS was just asking generally......

    If it wasn't for the angle, all those square/rectangular filters won't work cos the "mount" is already quite thick.

    But generally speaking, the more common step-up rings do introduce vignetting? Please correct if my understanding on this is wrong.
    Depends ...

    Some of the step rings are fairly slim - around 3mm, and some are thick, ard 5mm.

    If you use a direct single 77-86 ring, and the filter is slim, it may work because the ring throws the angle outwards. Should be quite easy to calculate based on thickness and angle, and crop factor of camera, which I assume is 1.5x or 1.6x since TS is speaking of the Sigma 10-20 lens.

    If you look at the hard-core bellows type lens hoods used in medium format or cinematic cameras, they kind of look very much like a gazillion step-ring of subsequently larger sizes stacked up.

    I guess it depends on one's longer-term objectives, i.e., look at 86mm as a standard to stick to or slim 77mm filters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    Depends ...

    Some of the step rings are fairly slim - around 3mm, and some are thick, ard 5mm.

    If you use a direct single 77-86 ring, and the filter is slim, it may work because the ring throws the angle outwards. Should be quite easy to calculate based on thickness and angle, and crop factor of camera, which I assume is 1.5x or 1.6x since TS is speaking of the Sigma 10-20 lens.

    If you look at the hard-core bellows type lens hoods used in medium format or cinematic cameras, they kind of look very much like a gazillion step-ring of subsequently larger sizes stacked up.

    I guess it depends on one's longer-term objectives, i.e., look at 86mm as a standard to stick to or slim 77mm filters.
    Thanks. I guess the step-up rings I've seen are all on the thick side. I've never had any good experience with them...

    Now that I think of it, KR recommends getting only 77mm filters and using them with rings. Still, it sounds like quite a "risk" to use step-up ring with a wide-angle to me.

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    i would just choose to get the single 77mm nd filter from dealextreme then only abt 12-13 sgd... qns nw is if i am shooting 30sec long exposure under broad daylight, what kind of nd filter shud i get(number) please advise xiao di
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    Default Re: how to prevent vignetting with nd filter

    Quote Originally Posted by chuanzuya View Post
    i would just choose to get the single 77mm nd filter from dealextreme then only abt 12-13 sgd... qns nw is if i am shooting 30sec long exposure under broad daylight, what kind of nd filter shud i get(number) please advise xiao di
    Beware of color cast on cheap ND filters.

    As for what ND filter, you can use this formula.

    Most ND filters are labelled ND2, ND4, ND8 and so on. It means that your exposure needs to be 2, 4 or 8 times longer. The common ones for long exposure are ND400 and ND1000 from Hoya and B+W respectively.

    Suppose your shutter speed is 1/200s. With ND2 it will be 1/200s * 2 = 1/100s. With ND1000 it would be 1/200s * 1000 = 2s. So you can work out what you need. Only you will know what aperture you prefer to shoot at and what kinda of shutter speed you normally work with. But usually even with a ND1000 you're not gonna get 30s in bright daylight unless you are using a tiny aperture.

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