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    learn composition, timing and technical stuff first. Then start replacing the kit lenses. Buy the best quality glass ou can afford. Lenses will last much longer than digital camera bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wootsk View Post
    The thing I am trying to say is that people are typing in CS forums as if the equipment are not of a matter as long as skill is there. From my POV, everything plays a part, the camera, the lens, the shooter, the external equipments. It is correct to say that people still can take good photos with minimum equipment, but with limitation. So please stop saying that it is the person behind the camera. It is like shooting firework without a stable tripod.

    Thought we still can blame the person behind the camera for not getting a tripod



    i agreed with u 100% on "everything plays a part, the camera, the lens, the shooter, the external equipments"...

    i play badminton and roller blade, and when i mentioned the need for better equipment, i am immediately answer by a superior friend of mine, telling me straight " u r wrong, it is the person"...

    but this idiot, who claimed that a Blacken racket is the best, declined to buy a second hand Blacken racket when i found him one... and he bought a 200-300 racket instead... wtf!

    equipments does make a difference... epsecially when one is a good photographer, he will produce better work with better equipments...


    just take a look at the equipements used by the pros... they are not so stupid to buy expensive equipment if they are not helping them...

    everything plays a part... but the most important part is of course the photographer... i will never debate this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wootsk View Post
    The thing I am trying to say is that people are typing in CS forums as if the equipment are not of a matter as long as skill is there. From my POV, everything plays a part, the camera, the lens, the shooter, the external equipments. It is correct to say that people still can take good photos with minimum equipment, but with limitation. So please stop saying that it is the person behind the camera. It is like shooting firework without a stable tripod.

    Thought we still can blame the person behind the camera for not getting a tripod
    I totally agree with you on this! While I also agree that the person behind the camera is very very impt, the equipment and other factor also plays the part. Perhaps a good example is a very sophisticated photograph which we credit to a photographer, but to create that he also need a good stylist, a team of helpers for lighting, makeup artist, model, and access or money for good props and outfit. There is a reason why we have cheap and expensive equipment and it do play a part. And definitely photoshop!!!

    Most of the time I am using D70 and my cheap sigma 18-50 and somehow can do some decent photos but saving money for D90. D90 is a 2nd gen nikon chip that has better color and very high range of ISO (D70 minimum is 200 and at 800, its like **** with a lot of flies).

    I think the problem about talent and equipment is that when talent outgrown the equipment, it will feel like a big fish in a small aquarium. You can't grow anymore unless you move into a bigger one.

    @HF Andersen... saw your latest photos. Do you know the couple personally and if yes, do you also hang out at CQ bridge?

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    Most of the time I am using D70 and my cheap sigma 18-50 and somehow can do some decent photos but saving money for D90. D90 is a 2nd gen nikon chip that has better color and very high range of ISO (D70 minimum is 200 and at 800, its like **** with a lot of flies).
    FYI, upgrading to the D90 will probably cost you about $1k. For $1k and the money you receive from selling your sigma, you could buy a 35mm f1.8, an 85mm f1.8 and possibly and a decent tripod. This combination will definitely get you images with excellent image quality. Upgrading to a better makes absolutely no sense if you do not have the good lenses required to fully maximise the resolution of your camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgbyte77 View Post
    I totally agree with you on this! While I also agree that the person behind the camera is very very impt, the equipment and other factor also plays the part. Perhaps a good example is a very sophisticated photograph which we credit to a photographer, but to create that he also need a good stylist, a team of helpers for lighting, makeup artist, model, and access or money for good props and outfit. There is a reason why we have cheap and expensive equipment and it do play a part. And definitely photoshop!!!

    Most of the time I am using D70 and my cheap sigma 18-50 and somehow can do some decent photos but saving money for D90. D90 is a 2nd gen nikon chip that has better color and very high range of ISO (D70 minimum is 200 and at 800, its like **** with a lot of flies).
    Totally agree with you as I'm still holding on to my D70...the crazy WB, green cast, low ability to crop, high iso noise + out of the blue moon NEF tt's "encounter end of file" error....

    Nevertheless, still loving it...but already has same plan as you whenever the shutter is going to give way...haha... lens, body and pg is always impt...what proportion each should be really depends on the user then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimePhotog View Post
    FYI, upgrading to the D90 will probably cost you about $1k. For $1k and the money you receive from selling your sigma, you could buy a 35mm f1.8, an 85mm f1.8 and possibly and a decent tripod. This combination will definitely get you images with excellent image quality. Upgrading to a better makes absolutely no sense if you do not have the good lenses required to fully maximise the resolution of your camera.
    Sorry but I don't totally agree with this. Actually I already have half a dozen lenses, including the nikkor 85mm, and 2 decent tripod. My point is that even with these prime lenses, the body is still the brain that will decode what the lens will see. Aside from the fact that 6megapixel is the maximum reproduction uncropped at 300 dpi... really need a higher resolution. Or I can say that I have reached the maximum quality resolution for that particular body and its becoming a crutch (I also post-process so each pixel really count). Anyway, my point is that the sigma 18-50 is one of my fave lens, even compared to a few of my nikkor ones; and a better brain to complement this lens will be a better choice for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Totally agree with you as I'm still holding on to my D70...the crazy WB, green cast, low ability to crop, high iso noise + out of the blue moon NEF tt's "encounter end of file" error....

    Nevertheless, still loving it...but already has same plan as you whenever the shutter is going to give way...haha... lens, body and pg is always impt...what proportion each should be really depends on the user then...
    Mine is also having dementia. Once in a while, the display will show -E- and I have to push-pull the memory card for it to recognize. Anyway, my cam now looks like it was owned by a photojournalist during WW2 so its really time to move on. I can't even impress TFCD because let's face it, size do matter. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgbyte77 View Post
    Mine is also having dementia. Once in a while, the display will show -E- and I have to push-pull the memory card for it to recognize.... let's face it, size do matter. :P
    Only ppl like us who are still using D70 knows what's it like...
    it's not a lousy cam at all...it was in fact one of the best technology few yrs back...but 5-6 yrs hv passed and technology reali improves greatly...when I compare my shots to other newer models...I only critique my composition, metering, WB, color balance etc...If one is comparing IQ, then I concede defeat immediately...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wootsk View Post
    The thing I am trying to say is that people are typing in CS forums as if the equipment are not of a matter as long as skill is there. From my POV, everything plays a part, the camera, the lens, the shooter, the external equipments. It is correct to say that people still can take good photos with minimum equipment, but with limitation. So please stop saying that it is the person behind the camera. It is like shooting firework without a stable tripod.

    Thought we still can blame the person behind the camera for not getting a tripod
    Yes they are all impt. but there's still an order of importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprewell View Post
    Yes they are all impt. but there's still an order of importance.

    person>lens>camera

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    Default Re: How does a newbie like me, achieve such clarity and definition in a photo?

    Person>Lens>Camera>Lighting

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    Person>Lens>Camera>Lighting>Timing
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    i would think that lighting is more impt than lens and camera..

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    Default Re: How does a newbie like me, achieve such clarity and definition in a photo?

    I think the most important is the process and the end product. The rest are equally important.

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    Sorry but I don't totally agree with this. Actually I already have half a dozen lenses, including the nikkor 85mm, and 2 decent tripod. My point is that even with these prime lenses, the body is still the brain that will decode what the lens will see. Aside from the fact that 6megapixel is the maximum reproduction uncropped at 300 dpi... really need a higher resolution. Or I can say that I have reached the maximum quality resolution for that particular body and its becoming a crutch (I also post-process so each pixel really count). Anyway, my point is that the sigma 18-50 is one of my fave lens, even compared to a few of my nikkor ones; and a better brain to complement this lens will be a better choice for me.
    hmmm... I agree with what you said... to a small extent. On the other hand, I really really hope you do realise absolute sharpness doesn't matter in real life. I have printed images roughly the size of A1 from a 10mp D200/N24-70 combo for an exhibition last year. I had a friend who owns a Canon 50D/C24-70 combo but despite his camera having 50% more megapixels than mine, there was absolutely no difference in the quality of the images even when looking really close. (photographic skills aside)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimePhotog View Post
    hmmm... I agree with what you said... to a small extent. On the other hand, I really really hope you do realise absolute sharpness doesn't matter in real life. I have printed images roughly the size of A1 from a 10mp D200/N24-70 combo for an exhibition last year. I had a friend who owns a Canon 50D/C24-70 combo but despite his camera having 50% more megapixels than mine, there was absolutely no difference in the quality of the images even when looking really close. (photographic skills aside)
    Not sure if you are relating megapixel against sharpness because they are not. Megapixel is just the ability to reproduce without interpolation, and editing with lesser loss (again, due to interpolation). As for printing on A1, paper and printer also comes into factor. And as with my point, either the paper of printer can cause the limitation of the A1 printout. Anyway, the advantage of the new camera now is not just megapixel alone. Fringing is also improved on D90 as compared to Nikon Gen1. Somehow colors are more vivid compared to the flat colors from gen1 of nikon. I am also looking forward to the live preview by tethering the camera onto a netbook which is not possible with gen1.

    My point is that all aspects are equally important. Lighting, person, lens, body... they are all important ingredients in which a lack of 1 will not give you the best photo you are capable of creating.

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    another case of disappearing TS. oh well.
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    Default Re: How does a newbie like me, achieve such clarity and definition in a photo?

    Quote Originally Posted by dawgbyte77 View Post
    Most of the time I am using D70 and my cheap sigma 18-50 and somehow can do some decent photos but saving money for D90. D90 is a 2nd gen nikon chip that has better color and very high range of ISO (D70 minimum is 200 and at 800, its like **** with a lot of flies).
    D70 screen so small, resolution so bad, how to achieve such clarity and definition?

    Most of the time when using D70, I shoot and assume is sharp until go home then check again. D5000 is easier to use. D700... big and nice review screen

    (this post was done with cheek in tongue; pls take with a pinch of sodium and lots of water)

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    nvm, TS MIA is common. Must get used to it.

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    Wow! I'm amazed at the response.

    You guys are right.

    What I did over the past weeks was get books, went for shoots, experiment and played around with the triangle (Iso, aperture Shutter Speed)

    I still have quite a million miles to go, but hey, it's a learning curve.

    I'm am stoked about all your opinions and pointers, perspectives.

    True, D70 isnt e most celebrated camera, however, with tenacity, I have been able to come close to the pictures I desired.

    Some of which can be seen on my post.

    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=701592

    Thank you guys for your opinions, they sure opened up some angles!

    Check out the photos and let me know what you guys think I need to improve,

    CAuse that's when e learning accelerates!

    Cheers

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