No pics of interiors, but cockpit controls no problem!
"Then, the First Officer came out of the flight deck and was hanging around in the galley so I realised it was my chance to ask him to do me a favour; no, not divert the plane to somewhere that involves flying for an extra 6 hours (although that would have been nice!), but to ask him to take a picture of the cockpit with my camera (since passengers are not allowed in during the flight anymore). He seemed happy enough to grant me my wish, so I gave him my camera and waited.
"After a few minutes, I thought I can handle some more food, so when I saw the LSS again I asked her for the dessert. My camera came back as well with a very good photo of the cockpit both with flash and without flash – the windows were completely white from the light, however."
Last edited by albertsy2; 16th March 2010 at 12:18 AM.
i also have my doubts about whether interior of plane actually has any bearing to security. i am quite sure that you can easily, easily find out the layout of a plane, and there are far less noticeable ways to obtain such footage/pictures than snapping away with a dslr.
like i said, it is more likely that it is the case that the female staff felt uneasy and did not wish to approach you directly.. and got their male colleague (which is probably there for such situations) to help out.
i mean, personally, it holds no interest, neither is it very interesting or pretty, so i will not snap it. it's just that i've bothered to search around for such rules, or whatever you guys seem to be claiming and i find nothing but aircraft interior photograph libraries:
which seem to suggest that this ruling of yours, based on reasons of security, is probably hearsay or self-derived. if that is not the case, maybe it is better to admit that this is so, so as to not mislead people reading this thread.
If it is indeed a policy that phototaking is not allowed onboard and because it is such a "potential terrorist threat", just paste a no phototaking sign in the plane like the no smoking sign that you see onboard. Simple and effective. Guess no phototaking is not serious enough to warrant a sticker like no smoking or maybe its just bad for publicity.
I have always taken pics of my family and friends aboard aircraft and even had stewards/stewardesses take pics for me.
I am sure there is a rule that one may not take pictures of the airport from the air, because one time the pilot mentioned it during his PA announcement. But that was only during takeoff and landing.
Normally (this term allows exceptions) it is not a problem to take pictures during the cruise part of a flight; it is forbidden though during take-off and landing among other things because cameras can pose a serious threat if during turbulence they fly around the cabin (ever knocked your SLR against your head, then you should know this doesn't feel nice and that's NOTHING compared to a camera knocking your head at multiple g's).
What some of you guys forget (or apparently don't know) though, is that after the Commander and the First Officer, the cabin attendants are next in the chain of authority on-board the aircraft and you're supposed to follow their instructions (they can have you removed from the a/c if you don't); so all the statements about them having to show you an official paper that clarifies the use of photography equipment on the flight is nonsense!
The best way to handle things is to ask nicely and comply to the instructions given to you and not to be a smartass.
http://www.aa.com/i18nForward.do?p=/...Technology.jspYou may use audio and video devices only with a headset. Use of still and video cameras, film or digital, is permitted only for recording personal events. Photography or video recording of airline personnel, equipment, or procedures is strictly prohibited.*
first link states that air france was unable to confirm on policies, and that policy seems to differ from airline to airline.
Last edited by night86mare; 16th March 2010 at 12:32 AM.
But if you look at the pics that whizzard took, they are of SQ gals. I am sure the steward saw him pointing his cam at the gals or perhaps what he thought to be interior of the airplane. Of course, from a photography point of view, you can give 101 reasons: I'm just testing my cam's focusing ability; I just bought a new 35mm lens and I can't wait to test it out, etc etc.
But should the steward give him the benefit of the doubt, considering that there are perhaps safety regulations (or even modesty of the stewardess) to note also?
Just because the airline allows some photography to happen inside the cabin doesn't mean one will have the free will to do what he or she likes. Imagine, you take out your tripod, place it along the aisle, and expect the steward not to stop you? Are you going to tell him: Photography is allowed so you can't stop me! Of course not! You must use some common sense and discretion.
Anyway, I think it's rude also. Other than security reasons, there is a strong line to be drawn where the personal space of the stewardesses and other passengers is concerned. How would you like if another passenger points his lens at you and then tell you, "So what? Photographer is allowed! I can take a pic of you."
In life, you can kick a fuss out of everything. You can assert your rights and bitch about every minor incident in life that doesn't go your way. Aren't we Singaporeans so good in that? But why do that?
You need to learn that there are rules to follow in life. Sometimes we hate the rules. Don't we hate certain things in Singapore but we can't change? As photographers, you must respect rules. Talking about that, I hate it when clearly it is said that no photography is allowed and damn, some dim wits will still pop that flash in the dark!
To me, this is a straight forward case. Your actions do not imply you are taking pics just for your own personal keepsake. you should count yourself lucky the steward did not ask you to show him what images you had been taking. If I were you, I'd be damn embarrassed and you'd be hard pressed to come up with a darn good reason why those images contain the stewardess' faces. What would you tell them, Whizzard? It's a personal project? Would they have believed you? You can justify all you want, but the one to lose out will be you.
As many have said here, live and let live. I don't think you have a winning case. And please... if you're adamant on trying to repeat what you're doing, I suggest you take a step back and analyze the whole matter again before you get into trouble or become a hated trouble-maker.
(I don't think the analogy you give about the caviar holds here. Your case is different. I'm not sure what tone the steward used on you, but perhaps he was only being quick to stop an action which he deemed not appropriate -- someone taking pics discreetly at the interior or his fellow female colleagues, and hence might sound a tad stern.)
Please don't go overboard... I don't know you personally, but it's sad if one day, you get beaten to a pulp by some guys even though photograph is allowed wherever you're snapping.
Not commenting about whether his actions were appropriate or not, as amongst other things I haven't heard his side of the story, just that there might be a reason why he didn't come up to you afterwards.
Especially as, if you'd said, you peacefully put away your camera, he might have never realised he had offended you.