Maybe when you take a look at some of those beautiful photos, you will be surprise with what camera they used to take.
It's true that Canon & Nikon is common as they are the more popular camera brand.
Some people are brand/model conscious but at the end of the day, it's the person's skill/experience behind that really matter.
One piece of advice.
Get a brand new set.
Then, you wouldn't be creating these threads which I believe is pissing people off.
OMG. I didn't mean to insult any of you guys.. I may be wrong in my conclusion but I've long been contemplating a DSLR. More than one year definitely. At least 18 months. But at the time, it wasn't serious enough for me to actually start saving or checking on brands and models whatsoever. But I always had some interest in photography.
Well, I need not justify myself here. But yea, I said it already. I AM a brand/model conscious guy. I usually buy branded stuffs.
For all of you who feel insulted, there's no need to. I'm a complete newbie and my opinion and conclusion may be totally wrong, I totally agree. But if I get a Canon and when I start shooting, maybe I'll start to see what is not so great about Canon and stuffs like that. Maybe I'll then consider another brand next time I upgrade or something. But since I am newbie, I base my opinion mostly on other people's judgement. If Pentax was so much better than Canon, I should have at least saw one somewhere in our little island, right? Everyone that I know of uses Canon and Nikon.
Don't know what to write more.
With regards to your question speaking from experience, I got a much better deal than the one you asked. And that time the newer model have yet to launch.
One note of advise: The equipment is only as good as it's wielder. Hope it's useful to you.
TS... obviously some think you are misguided/misinformed ..... but irregardless, you have still shown restraint and at least some sense of decorum in your replies to these jabs at your logic/reasonings/rationale .... get out of the kitchen while the goings still good (but do feel welcomed to hangout in this whacky community LOL)
Guys, he has his biases and what not based on advertising, heresay and personal observations ("But since I am newbie, I base my opinion mostly on other people's judgement. If Pentax was so much better than Canon, I should have at least saw one somewhere in our little island, right? Everyone that I know of uses Canon and Nikon.") ... and coming from a newbie, that is valid.
so.... let it be .... as he matures as a photog over time, reads up, tries different things etc etc etc ..... he will likely understand why and what he likes in a more enlightened manner.
meanwhile I sleep soundly tonight despite the fact not a "hell-load of people out there" are seen toting a Hassy H4D-40/50 on our little island
Last edited by ed9119; 9th March 2010 at 11:44 PM.
shaddap and just shoot .... up close
Canon 450D is a fine camera, no doubt about it. But its an old model, and even discountinued by Canon themselves. As fast as technology goes, newer stuffs are likely better than older ones of similar value.
Lets compare performance of the Canon 450D vs Pentax k-x
Canon 450D (2nd hand) $700, adding in lens probably near $800
Pentax k-x brand new $7xx comes with lens
DXO mark test performance of the 2 cameras.
A total of 5 test catagory was conducted. Lets see how they fare against each other.
Winner - Pentax k-x
Winner - Pentax k-x
Winner - Pentax k-x
Winner - Pentax k-x
Winner - Pentax k-x
Canon 450D: 60.6 / 100
Pentax k-x : 71.9 / 100
Out of 5 tests, Canon 450D wins in 0 out of 5 of them.
Ok enough of the tests. Here are the technical specs (i'll show only the significant ones)
Canon 450D vs Pentax k-x
Sensor size: Bigger = better
22.2 x 14.8 mm (3.28 cm²) vs 23.6 x 15.8 mm (3.72 cm²)
Pixel Density: Smaller the better
3.7 MP/cm² vs 3.3 MP/cm²
ISO sensitivity: bigger range = better, usually
100-1600 vs 100 - 12800
Drive/shooting speed: faster the better
3.5fps vs 4.7fps
no video mode vs Yes, 24fps
Well ultimately its ur money, not mine. However u must know that u are spending more money buying a 2nd hand DSLR (which might hv unknown problems which u will not be able to find out until u get home, and by then is too late), when there's a much better DSLR which cost lesser and its brand new somemore.
Last edited by android17; 9th March 2010 at 11:31 PM.
I heard of this guy who strike 1.5million Toto money recently.
He wanted to buy a car, and saw someone selling a 2nd hand Toyota Corolla for 1.3million (yeah I know its crazy, but the seller was entitled to sell at whatever price he wants).
Alot of people was telling him "WTF! Why do u wanna buy a Toyota Corolla for 1.3million? Its overpriced!!! Moreover, although its a good car, its an old model already. Nowadays got so many new cars which performs much better. You might as well use $1million to buy a Ferrari even better!"
But then that guy said "But hor, Ive never seen anyone driving a Ferrari leh. My friends all drive Toyota and Honda one. So I believe Toyota must be better than Ferrari la, since its more expensive (the 2nd hand EVO II which the seller wanna sell for 1.3mil) and wayyyy more people drive Toyota than Ferrari!!!"
I ROFL when I hear him say that
PS: This has nothing to do with TS or anyone here. Im just relating a story Ive heard, thats all
Last edited by android17; 9th March 2010 at 11:44 PM.
Love is blind. TS has deeply fallen in love with 450D
So yeahh give TS a break to fulfill his 18 month dream
Btw i'm a newbie myself! dun flame me! I'm just passing by.. :P
Although the replies may sound harsh, you have to realize one thing - They are answering your question: " 2nd hand Canon EOS 450D at $700. Should I buy?". Their answer is NO. It is not worth it, and is 1 generation older at this moment, and will be 2 generations older in a few days when 550D comes out. They are also saying NO, because the camera is 18 months old and average life of modern electronics is not as long as those mechanical film cameras.
I know it is your money, and I respect your decision ultimately. But I just want to remind you that the playing field is level now, in terms of technology, and pricing has indeed come down a lot. Performance between brands are more or less the same. The thing to watch out for is older versus newer technology. Though harsh sounding, the advice from the other CSers is to look at other options. They have gone down the road before. Sure, you do not have the experience, but they do. You asked a question, and they answered it. You may not like what they say but take those advice into account. But ultimately it is your decision. Go ahead and buy it if you so wishes. And I really wish you well and welcome you to the community.
If you still want my opinion, it is simple:
1. the 450D body at 700 is definitely not worth it. 18 months old, extended warranty is unknown. If the extended warranty is from a 3rd party, I can tell you it will be a huge hassle trying to get any sort of warranty work. Also, 550D is around the corner, it is already selling in China. So this will push the price of 500D down and 450D down even more. Maybe you should wait a couple of weeks to see how the pricing go, when a flood of used 500D hits the market.
2. If you want to stick to Canon, it is fine. Everyone has their preferences. Thing is, if you are so tight on budget, maybe you want to wait a while more and save up a little more. Get a new one if you are unsure of how to check a 2nd hand camera. Why? if you get a camera and it breaks, you will feel a lot worse, especially if you have to fork out money to get it fixed.
3. You still have to buy a lens to use on this particular body. Meaning, you have to pay more. And to save money, you have to buy a used lens as well. What if that lens has issues, or if it breaks? Personally, I will never buy used lenses unless they are from people I know and I know they take care of their stuff. Unless it is a very cheap piece of lens I might take the risk. But reading your posts, it seems you can't take this risk as your budget is tight.
You should not be looking at the price and cost of the purchase. You should actually look at the bigger picture, which is the Total cost of Ownership. If you think properly, buying a new set with kit lens for you may be the cheapest in the long run. Unless you know what you are doing when you are buying 2nd hand, I advise you to stay clear of used stuff.
Anyway, these are just my advice to you. I've tons of experience buying used stuff online in USA, China and Singapore. I've had good and bad experiences. But all my purchases are calculated risk. If your budget is as tight as you said it is, you are very risk adverse and you have to be really careful.
Good luck in your hunt.
Last edited by daredevil123; 10th March 2010 at 12:18 AM.
Yikes, quite an entertaining thread!
TS - just get ur camera, the one you're satisfied with, and get out there and use the darn thing I'm sure I speak for everyone when saying we'd be much happier seeing your take on the world by way of your photos than your view on Brand A v's Brand B.
And I also think that an informed and personalized opinion on which camera/lens combination suits you can only come from time spent in the field learning how to use a dslr, what style of photography you like and what you value in your equipmnt (weight, sturdiness, manual controls etc etc) and so on. Lastly, don't agonise over the decision; if you've saved up for it and so can afford it, just do it. You'll probably want to upgrade/change within a year anyway
Get out there, bro, and show us what you can do with your camera. Looking forward to seeing your photos. Maybe do an APAD project, like many of us do, just fir fun
Have you bought one yet?
And I forgot to add:
In responding to BnS ads, please try to bargin a bit. Most sellers will post the pricing above their desired selling price because they expect people to bargain.
aiyo canon 450D u sure u want to buy?
i take pentax k-x out happily shoot at iso 3200 with little noise..while you are stuck at iso 800 if grainy and blur shots. muahahah.
number of ppl use = very little = very lously
good + very lously = so so la...
rolex = exp = good
no of ppl use = very little = very lously
rolex = so so watch la...better dun buy...
high end casio = average price = average
no of ppl use = alot = very good
so casio = good.
casio better than rolex. =)