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  • It's good and where the cash is

    19 22.09%
  • Good enough to feed my family

    9 10.47%
  • So-so, still barely make it : |

    40 46.51%
  • I'm giving this up real soon, it's beginning to hurt real bad :X

    6 6.98%
  • Can't you see I'm selling, renting, and doing everything to get some bread?

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Thread: Is Photographic Business Really Bad in Singapore?

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    mmm...i think the issue now is more like being undercut by wannabe photographers..i have the same problem too when i am doing graphics design....basically we are jsut killing ourselves by offerring cheaper than hell prices...WE NEED A UNION !!

    At least we can regulate the prices.....shall we set one up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by semota
    mmm...i think the issue now is more like being undercut by wannabe photographers..i have the same problem too when i am doing graphics design....basically we are jsut killing ourselves by offerring cheaper than hell prices...WE NEED A UNION !!

    At least we can regulate the prices.....shall we set one up!!

    It'll be an uphill task to implement a union unless the new union is made up of reputable photographic societies in Singapore and is able to market itself to make its pressence felt by consumers islandwide like the recent marketing effort by CASE.

    Though that'll regulate fair competition, but it still can't eliminate those who do business down under.

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    Lightbulb not union...

    What is not needed is a union because there are no employers involved. Tell me if I am not following this thread. What is needed is an association of photographers with a code of conduct to be adopted by all members. Much like the associations of maid agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    What is not needed is a union because there are no employers involved. Tell me if I am not following this thread. What is needed is an association of photographers with a code of conduct to be adopted by all members. Much like the associations of maid agencies.

    that is pretty cool an idea too!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    What is not needed is a union because there are no employers involved. Tell me if I am not following this thread. What is needed is an association of photographers with a code of conduct to be adopted by all members. Much like the associations of maid agencies.
    That is a pretty good idea. I am sick of photographers undercutting each other.

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    Good idea it may be, but to a semi profiessional, who's trying to get himself commissioned for a job. To reduce costing is probably one of the most effective way in getting the clients to try him/her out. So, undercutting is really a huge topic to debate upon & a really sensitive topic. Understand that clients will not want a unreputable photog to shoot their ad campaign. Now, where's the chance for the new kid on the block to start his mark? or to even proof that one's capable. Undercutting measures, we've been there and done it, but as long one has accepted a job, dun bitch about and do it well, deliver something higher worthy. Guys, if you reach out for the sky, and even if ou dun get it, you won't come down empty handed. Ponder over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    What is not needed is a union because there are no employers involved. Tell me if I am not following this thread. What is needed is an association of photographers with a code of conduct to be adopted by all members. Much like the associations of maid agencies.
    Undercutting as an initial strategy to gain a foot in the door and then deliver service and product many times above the value being paid so that the client is hughly embarrased is a means to an end not a glorious end itself.

    But then the client might just choose to play dumb pretending not to notice the extra effort you put it and thinking that it would be still that cheap next time round. Of course there are honest and appreciative clients who would pay so that the talents would flourish and they would benefit from them.
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    my question would be, what will happen to photographers who have just started out? with no portfolios what-so-ever?

    Some people would say, join outings, street shoots, etc

    but paid assignments like Weddings, Fashion shoots, Product shoots are simply not the same thing..

    So if theres an association for regulating the price, who would employ the services of such a group of people?

    It just doesn't work out.

    I'm actually more of a believer of marketing and economics

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    Default Re: Is Photographic Business Really Bad in Singapore?

    why not charge them by per photo basis?...
    different quality of shoot, different price.
    eg.
    For the shoots of the day, you will have a range of photos with different individual pricing.
    Present them to your customer with the price attach.
    They will choose base on their buget.

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    Its all abt marketing, if nobody knows u can shoot, how to earn???

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    Q : What is the difference between a photographer and a Large Pizza

    A : A large pizza can feed a family of Four





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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnzcoco View Post
    Q : What is the difference between a photographer and a Large Pizza

    A : A large pizza can feed a family of Four

    A photographer can shoot a family of four and the large pizza.

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    I think most parents encourage their kids to become bankers, lawyers, doctors, pilots where the $$$ is.....

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    lytefunk i give it up to you !!!!

    I think you sums it all up in this forum about pricing models... about undercutting each other.. About creating a union to regulate pricing....everyone is going on and on and on about these topics. You in just one word sums it all up - ECONOMICS

    Having a photography business takes more then just good photography skills. As the name implies Photography and Business Skills. It makes economical sense in a free market like Singapore that the stronger and the well managed will survive. We are not socialistic countries like Eastern Europe where union is the all overpowering higher being. In Singapore, our SM MM PM will shove quality economics lesson up the unions and tell them what will work... don’t we all already been watching the "you know which Union recently" saga..... Maintaining that intricate equilibrium takes one to see further then the nose. And that chaotic theory is not something any one can chump down easily.

    It is Ironic how this business is.. People out of the industry will tell you how photography makes good money.... but being in this forum where I would confidently say a substantial portion of pro photog are complaining about not making the due? just how ironic is this?

    in reality as we live today... there are many skillful photog who are out of business! similarly having said that... just spent 5 mins at our news stand and look at all the magazine covers and realize how trashy they are or even say we can do better then that! (Although, I must give credits to CD and FREY for a superbly and brilliantly done cover for BAZAAR on Anne Watanabe. ) I am not playing critic on photos on my above statements… I am making a point on photography as a business. It has nothing to do with photography. Success in this business depends on one and only one thing: good business sense

    It is about understanding the economics behind the business… its about understand and creating value that is seem worthless to most people. And trading that value into another form which aids your progress… (Can be in any form, not only money) how well verse are you in the whole spectrum of photography as a business? Whats the cause and effect vs the supply and demand… what I spoke about here is nothing I invented.. It is just simple college Economics.

    There are many hobby photogs out there loving every min of their camera life… and suddenly realize that perhaps they can make a little income from it. After doing a few wedding for friends and colleagues (usually free or underpriced.. hhaahah Here we go again) they make an assumptions that maybe they can make a business out of it??!?! Well yes you can take a few good photo… but making an assumption that taking good photos will allow you to make a good photography business is not relevant. It takes good business skills.

    So this is the point where the market will sift out (with help of the law of nature) those who will not last long in the industry with out proper business sense. These are the people who cant even write a proper business model / plan ( including those you download off Google.) least talk about data analysis and swot models.. blah blah…( we can open a separate tread on this if any one is interested)

    Photography as a business follows a rule of nature as rigid as the law of gravity. (when you jump off a tall building … regardless you are a good person or a bad person … you die) is that you need to be equipped with proper business knowledge. Regardless how rich you are to start with! It will only mean you burn your money a little bit longer then the rest.

    A good 20% of the polls above shows that there is good money to be earned.. the question is … what do the rest of the 80% lack that do not allow them to earn what those 20% are earning ? (if you would also read what I wrote on “the psychology of free photogs” somewhere in here)

    If you are not ready to go full fledge professional. Then there are those who stuck to part timing and earning that extra cash. But the law of nature has it that if you spent your time else where earning some other form of income… you will have limitations to how big a scale in photography you can earn from…( thank god we only have 24 hours) economics at work again…. So these people stay to doing their small jobs whilst the big players stick to their million dollar ad campaign. Its only nature’s self working law again.


    All in all to sums this all up before it turn into another of my random rants . I would think that if it’s a passion you like to keep it alive… then keep it as a passion in all intensity.
    Evaluate yourself if you are ready to do business. passion and business put together is on a balancing beam… when business side goes up … passion goes down … when passion side goes up…. Business side goes down… reality check on which side of the balance you like to lean..






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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Potter View Post
    I think most parents encourage their kids to become bankers, lawyers, doctors, pilots where the $$$ is.....
    maybe some send their kids to Hogwarts....... i wonder

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    So had the standards of the models, workshops improved over the last few years?

    The last time round this place were filled with budget models...
    Last edited by eyes; 18th May 2007 at 06:42 AM.

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    What do you mean by budget models "the last time around"? Any threads/links to illustrate?

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    So had the standards of the models, workshops improved over the last few years?

    The last time round this place were filled with budget models...

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    well.... many will say its a different ball game all together.

    but well...

    with people going around asking for free photography for their weddings or even their DnDs, and people desperate for "portfolio" the scene will never improve

    and of course. nowadays, u go those exhibitions u will see that people are there not for event, people are they for the models.

    some will say "pay $10 can shoot many models. its a good buy"

    well.... such a mindset... when photographers from other states see such a comment, they will just shake their heads and turn to the next thread.

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    Those people who make a lot of money say business is bad.

    Those people who don't make enough money say business is good.

    I say business is so so. Can make tummy full Air Sai Liao.

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    Hi guys, maybe you can check out the PPAS
    yes a code of conduct is needed plus we need to give more education to clients. I believe people are willing to pay as long as they understand the value of photography.

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