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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes View Post
    Why Earl Grinols et al is being published in a prestigious journal while some are not?

    Is it a coincidence that Genting is 1900m above sea level, casinos in the USA are concentrated in Las Vegas (Mojave Desert) and China's gaming businesses is in Macau and not central Beijing or Shanghai?

    What does that say?
    Actually, there are casinos all over the US. At least 5 or 6 bigger ones that advertise heavily on TV in my area alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    http://casinogambling.about.com/od/c...sa/Casinos.htm

    no no no, all in mojave desert.

    the mojave desert must be a cool place. i have never been there, but it seems to have many states in america in it.

    I didn't say all casino in USA is in LA lah... concentration not equal all leh
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    before casino, there was big sweep, 4d, toto.

    i don't think genting is particularly dangerous for crime, is it?
    Agreed. Gaming has been around long before the casinos. There's horse-racing, and slot machines in numerous clubs in Singapore. And slots are one of the worst money-eaters ever.

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    Singapore pools versus Casino is an apple orange comparison. What's the marketing force that make each tick?

    Singapore pools: Have some fun, be entertained, if you lose, we'll consider it charity since we sponsor many sports and charities.

    Casino: The glamour of risk taking, high life and being Bond 007.

    It's not hard to see which one is more deadly.

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    jus glad i'm not a gambler and may it remain this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes View Post
    Singapore pools versus Casino is an apple orange comparison. What's the marketing force that make each tick?

    Singapore pools: Have some fun, be entertained, if you lose, we'll consider it charity since we sponsor many sports and charities.

    Casino: The glamour of risk taking, high life and being Bond 007.

    It's not hard to see which one is more deadly.

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    Casino is always safe but it is outside the domain that the problem caused. Gambling addict causes the most damage to their families but least in the casino.

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    before casino, there was big sweep, 4d, toto.

    i don't think genting is particularly dangerous for crime, is it?

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    One cannot compare Genting and LV as the geography distance is great, thus people cannot be going there everyday. But in a small community, the disease can spread fast bec getting there is a breeze.

    The good news is because SIN is small, the degrade is quick and extensive, thus coming generation will have the chance to rebuild and learn that history lesson and norm will be restored again. This is price of civilization.

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    It's easy to blame the casino. With or without casinos, thieves will be thieves.
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    I tend to agree on this one. Despite the argument on Singapore being small, vices are like cancer that rarely goes away.

    Take for example prostitution, despite continual raids, the business continues the next day. We can nab 200 prostitute today, in a few days time, the numbers are refurbished.

    Anyone who doubts this should hang out and observe the backlanes of our red light districts and see for themselves how it's behaving like cancer.

    Chemotheraphy only works to that extend but they will be back sooner than you think.

    I won't be surprise if more loansharks terrorises the neighbourhood, workers' productivity goes down, divorce rates surge, bankruptcy numbers increases, prostitution reaches the heartlands like never before, employee fraud becomes more common and petty thef increases.

    Quote Originally Posted by spheredome View Post
    One cannot compare Genting and LV as the geography distance is great, thus people cannot be going there everyday. But in a small community, the disease can spread fast bec getting there is a breeze.

    The good news is because SIN is small, the degrade is quick and extensive, thus coming generation will have the chance to rebuild and learn that history lesson and norm will be restored again. This is price of civilization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes View Post
    I tend to agree on this one. Despite the argument on Singapore being small, vices are like cancer that rarely goes away.

    I won't be surprise if more loansharks terrorises the neighbourhood, workers' productivity goes down, divorce rates surge, bankruptcy numbers increases, prostitution reaches the heartlands like never before, employee fraud becomes more common and petty thef increases.
    the levy...i believe that most ppl will see that as a deterent, and avoid going to casino, unless they can afford the loss, but for others, the levy is a barrier that must be broken down: by acts of stealing the 100, or cheating some poor souls out of the 100, or using fake passports...generally a new type of crime, or rather an increase in a dormant crime: fake identities and petty thef.

    btw...did anyone has statistics as to how the crime rate changed when singapore legalized prostitution in certain areas?
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    Then macau gone case, there are casino casino and more casinoes there, the whole place must be swarming with criminals.

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    "The casino industry is viewed by some as harmful to society. A high crime rate was one of the biggest problems that Macau's colonial Portuguese government had to face. Since Macau's return to China's rule in 1999, the public security situation has markedly improved. With the growth of the casino industry, a business called "bate-ficha" was developed and it is usually run by different triad societies." (Source: Wikipedia)

    You will not feel the problem until you're a citizen there.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabee View Post
    Then macau gone case, there are casino casino and more casinoes there, the whole place must be swarming with criminals.
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    Even our Aussie neighbour is paying the price.

    "These latest statistics on the costs of gambling will no doubt show that problem gambling has enormous economic, social and public health costs to the Australian community that far outweigh the benefits derived from gambling revenue and employment in the industry." (Source)
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    The Chinese government had to put in a law so that mainland Chinese could only go to Macau once every three months. Apparently there were lots of county officials going there to spend public funds, who ended up losing it all or most of it...

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    Not selctive lah. If selective, I'll only quote the first sentence. But have you considered the context of the paragraph?

    1. Traids are still alive and well.

    2. Do we want our police force to asimilate China's version?

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    selective reading there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes View Post
    "The casino industry is viewed by some as harmful to society. A high crime rate was one of the biggest problems that Macau's colonial Portuguese government had to face. Since Macau's return to China's rule in 1999, the public security situation has markedly improved. With the growth of the casino industry, a business called "bate-ficha" was developed and it is usually run by different triad societies." (Source: Wikipedia)

    You will not feel the problem until you're a citizen there.
    It's more of a problem of weak governance and corruption than anything. Contrast Genting with Macau: the late Uncle Lim governed the place pretty well and kept the gangs out. Macau under Stanley Ho on the other hand is a totally different story. That's why Stanley Ho was frozen out from even bidding to build the IRs. Genting even had to sell land it co-owned with Stanley in Macao as a prerequisite to bidding for IR.

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    Of course I read the paper.

    "...we concluded that casinos increased all crimes except murder, the crime with the least obvious connection to casinos. Most offenses showed that the impact of casinos on crime increased over time, a pattern very consistent with the theories of how casinos affect crime. The crime-ameliorating effects of casinos through increased employment opportunities and wages for low-skilled people will be concentrated shortly after opening. Also, law enforcement agencies can frequently use casino openings to leverage greater immediate staffing increases, but are unable to sustain this growth."
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    http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime....Vegas&state=NV

    http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime....eland&state=OH

    Raw statistics without critical analysis can prove misleading. State and local police protection spending per captial for Nevada is USD 357 compared to Ohio's USD 235 based on 2006's data.

    Another independent variable to consider before disecting the statistics:

    "Nevada state and local governments ranked second to last in the percentage of spending for public welfare and first in the percentage devoted to police protection." (source: here)

    Does this mean with casinos, more tax monies will be required to fund the police to keep crime rates comparable to non casino states?

    This piece of information with Earl Grinols et al suggests so though, in my opinion.
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    i didn't see much police presence in macau, i've been there twice, and i wasn't just hanging about in the "rich part of town". in fact, i only went back to the hotel/casino area to sleep.

    Don't see doesn't mean don't have :

    Example:

    "Right from the start plainclothes police officers were along side during the..." (source)

    "Undercover officers of Macao's Public Security Police (PSP) yesterday targeted the five suspects... The police launched the undercover operation..." (source)

    "...provincial investigation team paid two undercover visits in September." (source)
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