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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    sorry, me know nuts about the sutra......
    Tupi Guy, as stated by Scanner above.
    It's the Prajna Paramita.
    One of the most famous sutras. Equally commonly recited by the Hinayana and Mahayana Buddhists.
    It is the basis upon how Avalokiteshvara the Compassionate Buddha, upon introspection, realises that everything is Empty. And yet Emtpiness is Form and Form is Emptiness.

    I personally find this big long sutra very meaningful.
    But difficult to understand.

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    Scanner brother.
    Every day you bring me more and more surprises.
    Maybe it's about time you and I make another trip together.. hahaha....
    Sure brother Lim, if I can find time. I have longed been wanting to go for a holiday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limwhow View Post
    Tupi Guy, as stated by Scanner above.
    It's the Prajna Paramita.
    One of the most famous sutras. Equally commonly recited by the Hinayana and Mahayana Buddhists.
    It is the basis upon how Avalokiteshvara the Compassionate Buddha, upon introspection, realises that everything is Empty. And yet Emtpiness is Form and Form is Emptiness.

    I personally find this big long sutra very meaningful.
    But difficult to understand.
    famous sutras? it just sutras.

    Understand and Know is diff from what one can 悟 or how is one "apply".

    Being a monk must be a monk with robe or in the temple?

    Knowing for the sake of knowing is nothing yet just for the sake of knowing.

    Sorry for my ignorant with sutras as i never read.

    悟 is never by reading yet living it
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    Quote Originally Posted by tupi guy View Post
    famous sutras? It just sutras.

    Understand and know is diff from what one can 悟 or how is one "apply".

    Being a monk must be a monk with robe or in the temple?

    Knowing for the sake of knowing is nothing yet just for the sake of knowing.

    Sorry for my ignorant with sutras as i never read.

    悟 is never by reading yet living it
    修习佛法智慧很重要的一点是要读经和听经闻法,通过读,通过闻思去明白佛法的义理,找到我们修行的方向和一 条通向生命究竟义的道路。

    通过读经以及闻思,明白理后,很重要的是去行持。用佛法智慧指导我们去生活,去降伏烦恼习气,去改变我们的 心,这才是佛法修学的实际理地.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by scanner View Post
    修习佛法智慧很重要的一点是要读经和听经闻法,通过读,通过闻思去明白佛法的义理,找到我们修行的方向和一 条通向生命究竟义的道路。

    通过读经以及闻思,明白理后,很重要的是去行持。用佛法智慧指导我们去生活,去降伏烦恼习气,去改变我们的 心,这才是佛法修学的实际理地.......
    the 佛祖 dont read to attain the enlightenments. One can look but cant see it. One can read and can never understand it too. One can talk about it yet cant live it.

    It's one individual 悟性 for it's life. Everyday you can learn whole lot stuff if one is sensitive enough. Just open the heart big enough to see. Not just about "aiya... this is real world lor... be realistic etc..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    famous sutras? it just sutras.

    Understand and Know is diff from what one can 悟 or how is one "apply".

    Being a monk must be a monk with robe or in the temple?

    Knowing for the sake of knowing is nothing yet just for the sake of knowing.

    Sorry for my ignorant with sutras as i never read.

    悟 is never by reading yet living it
    Yes, you are right.
    We so often fall into the trap of labelling things as 'famous', when they are but mere scriptures written for the sake of passing down knowledge.

    I, for one, have been really not well read.
    I believe we should just simply lead our lives in the right way, along the right path.
    Being able to recite sutras is of course good. But there are different ways of 修.

    For example, many Tibetan rural folks live their whole lives simply chanting Om Mani Padme Hum. Yet they follow the Four Noble Truths, and the Eight Rightfold Paths, in the way they live their lives.

    Good point, Tupi Guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limwhow View Post
    Yes, you are right.
    We so often fall into the trap of labelling things as 'famous', when they are but mere scriptures written for the sake of passing down knowledge.

    I, for one, have been really not well read.
    I believe we should just simply lead our lives in the right way, along the right path.
    Being able to recite sutras is of course good. But there are different ways of 修.

    For example, many Tibetan rural folks live their whole lives simply chanting Om Mani Padme Hum. Yet they follow the Four Noble Truths, and the Eight Rightfold Paths, in the way they live their lives.

    Good point, Tupi Guy.

    kekeke me never read a book... not even a mag nor newspaper......

    To me, contentment is the most important thing. That's one true happiness.

    修? 不可為修而修,不可為修而悟,悟而不而修而悟。

    Just wonder, you know what the meaning of 捨得?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    the 佛祖 dont read to attain the enlightenments. One can look but cant see it. One can read and can never understand it too. One can talk about it yet cant live it.

    It's one individual 悟性 for it's life. Everyday you can learn whole lot stuff if one is sensitive enough. Just open the heart big enough to see. Not just about "aiya... this is real world lor... be realistic etc..."
    If you understand, sutras is what Buddha said. One of the purpose to recite sutra is to 消业.
    It is difficult for anyone to understand if you don't recite or practice.
    Last edited by scanner; 6th February 2010 at 12:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scanner View Post
    If you understand, sutras is what Buddha said. One of the purpose to recite sutra is to 消业.
    lol what is 消业?

    Me dont understand if i understand, i mean TRULY understand. I wont be here liao
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    Quote Originally Posted by scanner View Post
    If you understand, sutras is what Buddha said. One of the purpose to recite sutra is to 消业.
    It is difficult for anyone to understand if you don't recite or practice.
    Need to practice? What u mean of practice?

    修? 不可為修而修,不可為修而悟,悟而不而修而悟。
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    Need to practice? What u mean of practice?

    修? 不可為修而修,不可為修而悟,悟而不而修而悟。
    It is impossible to explain in 1 or 2 sentences.
    Let me share with you one of the Buddhism forum here.
    You might want to take a look.

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    法如何修?

    修心而後法。
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    Quote Originally Posted by scanner View Post
    It is impossible to explain in 1 or 2 sentences.
    Let me share with you one of the Buddhism forum here.
    You might want to take a look.
    @@ wow..... thanks for the link. Sorry that i cant read........

    then u "explain" la..... share with us what u understand mah
    Last edited by Tupi Guy; 6th February 2010 at 12:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    @@ wow..... thanks for the link. Sorry that i cant read........

    then u "explain" la..... share with us what u understand mah
    If you are really interested, I believe you could search for any Buddhism forum which discussed in English.

    Everyone has to start from somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scanner View Post
    If you are really interested, I believe you could search for any Buddhism forum which discussed in English.

    Everyone has to start from somewhere.
    hahahahaha, nvm then

    Points missed.
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    Hmmm... you gentlemen have discussed so much while I was away.
    Mm... It is very late now and it's time for me to really go and 修 already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limwhow View Post
    Hmmm... you gentlemen have discussed so much while I was away.
    Mm... It is very late now and it's time for me to really go and 修 already.
    it's morning........

    hahaha your is 休。。。。
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    it's morning........

    hahaha your is 休。。。。
    Well... you don't know only mah...
    Who knows when I am 休-ing, one may never know that I could actually be 修-ing at the same time.
    A idea that is very similar in nature with your very own words, right, Tupi Guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limwhow View Post
    Well... you don't know only mah...
    Who knows when I am 休-ing, one may never know that I could actually be 修-ing at the same time.
    A idea that is very similar in nature with your very own words, right, Tupi Guy?
    lol..... glad u understand what i mean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    lol..... glad u understand what i mean
    No lah... I only act blur lah.

    I of course understand what you mean. Simply, if one has 佛性 and 佛心, and opens up one's eye to look at the world, one can learn to understand 悟, without needing to read too much.

    I also understand what scanner means. scanner advocates reading scripture 念佛 and recitation 咏经 so that one may accumulate knowledge. And this process accumulate merits 修善业. This is of course, widely practised by 出家人 and many 在家居士.

    One has to realise that as human, we are all markedly different.
    I believe everyone accumulates merits and acquires positive karma (for that matter, negative karma too) in very different ways.

    I am one who is somewhere in between Tupi Guy yourself and my good friend scanner. I believe in reading. However I am lazy and I don't have a good brain with good memory. Thus though I read, I can't retain too much, and my understanding is not high.
    But whatever little I read, I gain some insight and pointers to direct me towards a more correct direction for me to practise. I believe in instrospection 自观自觉 to meditate on the meanings.
    Thus I cannot say 'don't need to read' because I have realised that reading has propelled me further in my search. I would certainly encourage newbies to read.

    On the other hand, my laziness and poor aptitude in grasping complex ideas have made me a poor candidate for scriptures of deep meaning. And I tend to give myself excuses that - ok, I hope with whatever little 佛性 I can lead my life in the right way to accumulate positive merits, reduce my negative karma, and one day attain Nirvana.

    Maybe in this manner, you all can jokingly label me as walking the Middle Path 走中道.
    Last edited by limwhow; 6th February 2010 at 01:44 AM.

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