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    Just heard on news.

    A sec 3 guy was in BGR with his classmate, the teacher found out and called his parents. Resulting in him commiting suicide.

    Do you think that nowadays authorities are overhyping on stuff? First the issue with porno VCDs, now BGRs. Trying to show people they're doing their work?

    But in the right way? No wonder the garment wants more kids, else incase of such accidents, they have no other kids to rely on.


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    oh dear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by espn

    But in the right way? No wonder the garment wants more kids, else incase of such accidents, they have no other kids to rely on.
    kids change garments quite often as they grow fast. got good potential to sell more garments to them!

    sad incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by espn
    Just heard on news.

    A sec 3 guy was in BGR with his classmate, the teacher found out and called his parents. Resulting in him commiting suicide.

    Do you think that nowadays authorities are overhyping on stuff? First the issue with porno VCDs, now BGRs. Trying to show people they're doing their work?

    But in the right way? No wonder the garment wants more kids, else incase of such accidents, they have no other kids to rely on.

    i think the questions that should be asked are, why did he commit suicide? what compelled him to take his life? what was he so afraid of that he was more willing to die than to face it?

    the amount of pressure placed on kids nowadays is incredible. we all want our children to have better lives than us parents, so we push them to strive to do better, to climb higher, to be no.1 at all costs. failure is not an option and will not be tolerated.

    so what do we do? blame the govt for making this place the pressure cooker it is today? aren't we also at fault?

    if your child was doing something wrong, wouldn't you also want to know about it?

    it's a pity that such a young life has to be wasted this way.
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    duh......

    nowadays youths r v stressed. seems that *nobody* teach them to learn how to chill out?

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    Hi

    for discussion's sake...

    can someone pls tell me why should the life of today's youths be any more stressful than ours? do they have tougher standards in academia compared to us? I don't think so. if anything, a lot of standards have been lowered - like now to enter university you don't need the second language..... (how on earth is Singapore going to go into the vast China market without our youths having a strong command of the Chinese language? well......)

    i dunno....i was just talking to this indian friend from India, and let's just say his childhood is not something we would wish upon our own youths...... our youths have not even experienced half of what he and millions of other indian kids have seen....

    i think Singaporean kids are too pampered! and yes, that includes ME in my childhood days...
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    Actually, in a lot of cases parents are to blame.

    They exert way too much pressure on their kids. The kids have to do well, very well in their tests and exams. Anything < A1 is not good enough. They want their kids to be well rounded, so they enroll them in music, speech & drama, abacus, etc courses, regardless of whether their kids like it. They send their kids to multiple tuition courses.

    And of course, society is to blame too. Everyone knows that in Singapore, you need all the papers and more papers to succeed or even find a job. And that adds to the pressure of the kids.

    Yes, they are also too pampered and nowadays, most kids have overly protective parents who side with their kids even when they are wrong. Which is a bad thing.

    As far as BGR is concerned, I have always remembered as a kid that I am repeatedly told by parents not to engage in them and to concentrate on studies (probably why I am still single now.... ). Kids are probably more liberal now, but there are obviously some people (e.g. in the school) who are more conservative.

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    actually although the media seems to be targetting at the teacher who reported the r/s to the boy's mother.. it seems to me that the boy committed suicide due to the fact that his parents has already objected to the r/s since Sec.1. (read: his dad even tried to transfer him to another school so that he can concentrate on his studies)

    Personally, it was fear and dispair that drove him to do the unthinkable... all that lamenting the parents did..... a sad ironic reflection of what happened.

    It was as if the boy's studies was adversely affected and yes, although he's only 15 but being in a BGR now is normal. (read: his chinese expression was quite good, the chinese papers showed a shot of the chinese message he wrote to his gf)

    so what did the whole episode show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperD
    so what did the whole episode show?
    People are quick to blame authorities for problems that they created themselves and yet look to the authorities for solutions when other problems arise....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn
    Hi

    for discussion's sake...

    can someone pls tell me why should the life of today's youths be any more stressful than ours? do they have tougher standards in academia compared to us? I don't think so. if anything, a lot of standards have been lowered - like now to enter university you don't need the second language.....

    Yes. Although 2nd language requirement for Uni is dropped but the standard for other subject increase.

    If you have a nephew, pick up his maths/science workbook and you may be asking. "They taught you this at this level?!"

    I have problem answering a math question for a friend's child who is just sec two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperD
    actually although the media seems to be targetting at the teacher who reported the r/s to the boy's mother.. it seems to me that the boy committed suicide due to the fact that his parents has already objected to the r/s since Sec.1. (read: his dad even tried to transfer him to another school so that he can concentrate on his studies)

    Personally, it was fear and dispair that drove him to do the unthinkable... all that lamenting the parents did..... a sad ironic reflection of what happened.

    It was as if the boy's studies was adversely affected and yes, although he's only 15 but being in a BGR now is normal. (read: his chinese expression was quite good, the chinese papers showed a shot of the chinese message he wrote to his gf)

    so what did the whole episode show?
    Is it? I was reading the tabloids just now and they were saying that both of them have been maintaining good grades and had no objections from the family. If you want to know how pampered we are now, just look at the informal punishment guidelines for military training. Or the CCAs of some of the Pes C recruits who couldn't jump, run or do any form of exercise. Wouldn't trust the defence of the nation to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binbeto
    Yes. Although 2nd language requirement for Uni is dropped but the standard for other subject increase.

    If you have a nephew, pick up his maths/science workbook and you may be asking. "They taught you this at this level?!"

    I have problem answering a math question for a friend's child who is just sec two.
    no leh...... i taught a fren's brother O Level 'A' and 'E' maths for 1 yr last yr and found that basically the syllabus hasn't changed at all, at least where mathematics is concerned!

    so where's that increased stress coming from? or is it just a perceived problem, and not a real problem? or are the kids today so weak in their minds that the same pressure levelled at them today will produce consequences different from those who studied 10 yrs ago??!

    Is the society's expectations of a kid today so drastically different from those set 10 yrs ago? hmm..
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    To me bgr is ok as long as they dont do wrong things. For pron vcd, there are no stop 1. Never in the high education level students also bring to their sch. If let say the gov 1 2 stop this then they must go for the oldest 1 then to the youngest 1. Especially nowaday sch working is differ from last time. And the young people receive all kind of info on the net. This is parents and teachers job to explain to their children. Some of this info will make kids become curious and this curious is very very destructive to boys n girls. Nowaday everything change and change. There are no stop for changes. Only teachers n parents can teach the new genration the real right n wrong. But teachers n parents must give very good example. If not children will do what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patch17
    i think the questions that should be asked are, why did he commit suicide? what compelled him to take his life? what was he so afraid of that he was more willing to die than to face it?
    people commit suicide when they see no point on living. in this case, it may be that the boy's parents told the him he must break off with the girl at once. despair, not fear.... drives ppl to take their own lives. in the same way, many kids kill themselves in japan becos of bad grades in school. how can the situation be improved? parents and teachers should be very vigilant of the drastic emotional swings in an adolescent's life, and counsel the youth in a timely and understanding manner.
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    My approach is this:

    Values and conduct - cannot trust anyone else. Must impart good values to my children, and do it personally by teaching, discipline and example. This applies to spiritual education as well.

    Schoolwork - let the teachers do their work, but if they don't, then I take it upon myself (or rather Mrs Streetshooter takes it upon herself) to fill in the gaps. No need to bug the teachers about it.

    Grades - no pressure on final performance, as long as the kids have tried their best.

    I can imagine it's tough being a teacher. Can't please everyone - too strict, get condemned, too relak, also get condemned. Too much homework, too little homework. Do you know that the teaching profession is disproportionately represented in IMH (Woodbridge)? The percentage of teachers who are patients there is higher than the percentage of teachers in the general population. Does that tell you something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerstorer
    People are quick to blame authorities for problems that they created themselves and yet look to the authorities for solutions when other problems arise....
    Agree.

    Not exactly sure what happened. But if the boy killed himself just because his parents made him split up with the girl, I think he is a weakling.

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    People kill themselves for different reasons. The elderly do so out of despair and to end their suffering. The young and impulsive may do so simply to make a point, or make others feel sorry, as an act of revenge. The terrorist does so to get to heaven. You really can't generalize.

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    This incident clearly has nothing to do with the teacher or the government. It's sad the boy took his own life though.

    Learn to treasure life instead, and stop blaming others for our own woes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetShooter
    People kill themselves for different reasons. The elderly do so out of despair and to end their suffering. The young and impulsive may do so simply to make a point, or make others feel sorry, as an act of revenge. The terrorist does so to get to heaven. You really can't generalize.
    Yes, that's why I qualified my statement. I said I do not know what exactly happened and what other factors are involved but IF he snapped and killed himself just because his parents made him break up with the girl, he is a weakling, in my humble opinion.

    Tragic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetShooter
    My approach is this:

    Values and conduct - cannot trust anyone else. Must impart good values to my children, and do it personally by teaching, discipline and example. This applies to spiritual education as well.

    Schoolwork - let the teachers do their work, but if they don't, then I take it upon myself (or rather Mrs Streetshooter takes it upon herself) to fill in the gaps. No need to bug the teachers about it.

    Grades - no pressure on final performance, as long as the kids have tried their best.

    I can imagine it's tough being a teacher. Can't please everyone - too strict, get condemned, too relak, also get condemned. Too much homework, too little homework. Do you know that the teaching profession is disproportionately represented in IMH (Woodbridge)? The percentage of teachers who are patients there is higher than the percentage of teachers in the general population. Does that tell you something?
    values and conduct - ideally imparted by the parents. however, teachers may have to fill the gap if the parents are not doing their job. a lot also depends on the school... whether it emphasises academic grades above all else, or a more rounded and humane education.

    schoolwork and grades - i think a *little* pressure is good, and mebbe some incentive as well e.g. "if u get AAA+++ grades then we'll get you a nice new handphone/D70/holiday".

    yep, agreed that teachers have a great responsibility, and are under a lot of pressure here. hopefully kids and parents alike treat them with the appreciation and respect they deserve.
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