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    Default Is it true China wants to get rid of Google

    What are the reasons for Google wanting to
    move out of China?

    What do you think are the main issues for
    Google prompting to move out of China?

    Is it because of the attacks by hackers in China
    into its computer system or China simply does not
    want Google to be the top search engine in their
    territory? What are your views on the above?

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    Default Re: Is it true China wants to get rid of Google

    IIRC Google wasn't even allowed in China for some time; and even now certain websites of various content are not permitted as search results or to load. There was a bit hoo-ha about the Chinese promising to de-restrict Internet access for foreign journalists at the Beijing Olympics, and initially they continued to do so before eventually recanting under international pressure.

    There are varying levels of censorship everywhere; even Singapore for example does the same for various porn sites. (Or used to, it's been a while since I was clued up on matters in Singapore.) Depending on whether you stand on various issues that can be no different than censoring political and human rights sites.

    So Google moving out wouldn't be altogether that surprising.

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    Google denies leaving China, seeks negotiations

    SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Google Inc enters a second week of high stakes brinkmanship with China's government, amid speculation the firm has decided to pull out of the world's biggest Internet market over cyber-spying concerns.

    Google, the world's most popular search engine, said last week it was thinking about quitting China after suffering a sophisticated cyber-attack on its network that resulted in theft of its intellectual property.

    The company has said it is no longer willing to filter content on its Chinese language google.cn engine, and will try to negotiate a legal unfiltered search engine, or exit the market.

    Most of the filters on google.cn were still in place on Sunday, though controls over some searches, including the June 4, 1989 Tiananmen crackdown, appear to have been loosened.

    The Google announcement captured the attention of China's 384 million netizens, the world's largest Internet market by users, with blogs and local media quoting unnamed insiders as saying Google has already decided to close its offices in China.

    Google has denied that, saying the company is still in the process of scanning its internal networks since the cyber-attack in mid-December. Google also said it would hold talks with the Chinese government over the next few weeks.

    China has tried to play down Google's threat to leave, saying there were many ways to resolve the issue, but insisting all foreign companies, Google included, must abide by Chinese laws.

    Washington said it is issuing a diplomatic note to China formally requesting an explanation for the attacks.

    The Google issue risks becoming another irritant in China's relationship with the United States, already strained by arguments over the Chinese currency's exchange rate, trade protectionism and U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.

    Washington has long been worried about Beijing's cyber-spying program. A congressional advisory panel said in November the Chinese government appeared increasingly to be penetrating U.S. computers to gather useful data for its military.

    When Google introduced its google.cn website in 2006 with the decision to self-censor searches, it said the move would benefit the Chinese people by expanding access to information.

    "We think we have made a reasonable decision, though we cannot be sure it will ultimately be proven to be the best one," a top level Google spokesman told the U.S. Committee on International Relations in 2006.

    Google's move to publicly denounce censorship and accuse Chinese hackers of launching an attack that resulted in the theft of its intellectual property was seen as a bold move.

    "We have never seen a company take on the Chinese government in such a public and confrontational manner," said James McGregor, senior counselor to public affairs consultancy Apco Worldwide.

    But it may backfire as signs emerge the firm has already damaged its prospects in China regardless of whether it carries out its threat to quit the country.

    JPMorgan analyst Dick Wei said he thinks Google's relationship with the Chinese government is already strained and if the firm decides to stay, it could be subject to tighter regulations.

    UBS analyst Wang Jinjin also believes Google's relationship with advertisers has been damaged as a result of the threat and that they will choose Baidu Inc over the firm.

    On Saturday, Yahoo was dragged into the growing row after its Chinese partner Alibaba Group slammed its statements supporting Google.

    Playing down the concerns raised by Google, rival Microsoft Corp said it had no plan to pull out of China.

    Microsoft has high hopes for its Bing Internet search engine in China, which has only a small share of the market but could benefit if Google, the No. 2 player behind dominating local rival Baidu Inc, pulls out.

    Google denies leaving China, seeks negotiations

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    I think it's Google trying to get rid of China. Too many red hackers- not worth the while.
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    Seems like there is a poltical conspiracy behind this, google is like a cry-baby to the Us govt
    ,maybe Us is making use of this chance to hit out at Beijing Govt, I think beijing govt are only making sure
    all the Internet users are abiding the country rules and regulations,this kind of control happens everywhere in every different country . google are just trying make a big fuss out of it, u know the Americans will always want to try something funny
    : D

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    Quote Originally Posted by forward View Post
    What are the reasons for Google wanting to
    move out of China?

    What do you think are the main issues for
    Google prompting to move out of China?

    Is it because of the attacks by hackers in China
    into its computer system or China simply does not
    want Google to be the top search engine in their
    territory
    ? What are your views on the above?
    Doing homework, izzit? FYI, the statement in bold is totally wrong. You keep mentioning Google wanting to pull out of China, then turn it around and say China wants Google out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabee View Post
    Washington said it is issuing a diplomatic note to China formally requesting an explanation for the attacks.

    The Google issue risks becoming another irritant in China's relationship with the United States, already strained by arguments over the Chinese currency's exchange rate, trade protectionism and U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.

    Washington has long been worried about Beijing's cyber-spying program. A congressional advisory panel said in November the Chinese government appeared increasingly to be penetrating U.S. computers to gather useful data for its military.
    Reading between the lines (always a good idea with the US Government or any government for that matter) it shows that the good old Washington Cowboys are pi$$ed because they aren't gettting far with their cyber-spying on China, apart from the well known "Echelon" telecommunications interception system that is largely a joint UK-USA operation and captures somewhere in excess of 80% of the global electronic traffic (read phone calls, email, blogs etc). The pot calling the kettle black methinks.

    China's censorship is no worse than many other countries including Iran, Saudi Arabia (KSA) and soon be joined by Australia if the local fascist rulers have their way.
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    other than security and military issues, i believe it is also economic reason, the chinese hope to have baidu.com more acceptable and known by own country rather than google (which is from the west)

    compare baidu.com vs google.com ( see !!! they looked so smiliar !!! )

    this is a smart move

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Doing homework, izzit? FYI, the statement in bold is totally wrong. You keep mentioning Google wanting to pull out of China, then turn it around and say China wants Google out?

    That is an unique observation from your point of view.
    However it could be China is standing firm on
    its commitment in its strategy to a certain aspect
    of being the future world power within the next
    30 years or earlier.


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    just read today's newspapers , Google said they love China and the people there wor , change their stance so fast lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by legiz View Post
    just read today's newspapers , Google said they love China and the people there wor , change their stance so fast lol

    That move shows the super fliexibility of
    Google's ability to behave like water.

    Be like whatever shape you need to when
    put in whatever situation else terrific difficulty
    is unforeseen and could be of great pain.

    Google remembers very well that adverisity
    should not be its greatest enemy for the
    affluent human has spirit that is capable of
    great resiliency and resourcefulness.

    Who else dare to make the future
    gigantic dragon to throw out its fire?

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    i know that facebook and wordpress are very heavily restricted in china.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forward View Post
    That move shows the super fliexibility of
    Google's ability to behave like water.

    Be like whatever shape you need to when
    put in whatever situation else terrific difficulty
    is unforeseen and could be of great pain.

    Google remembers very well that adverisity
    should not be its greatest enemy for the
    affluent human has spirit that is capable of
    great resiliency and resourcefulness.

    Who else dare to make the future
    gigantic dragon to throw out its fire?

    ya , the funny part is that some people actually sent flowers or candles to
    their company . these people doesn't really understand history . tragic .

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    That's not shocking. What's more appalling is that people applaud the Beijing government for actually restricting their citizens' basic right to seek out information, without perhaps a true understanding of the ramifications of such methods adopted by a nation increasingly the inspiration for many other developing nations.

    This goes further than mere censorship or tit-for-tat gestures across the corporate/public spectrum of things.

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    Default Re: Is it true China wants to get rid of Google

    if you check there are other country who are supposedly democratic but also ask google to do filtering.
    it is not just china
    the problem is that china is the convenient punching bag for senate members in US

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    Quote Originally Posted by aryanto View Post
    if you check there are other country who are supposedly democratic but also ask google to do filtering.
    it is not just china
    the problem is that china is the convenient punching bag for senate members in US

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    Who after slamming China will go home and recline on their China-made furniture, watch some television on a TV made in the millions by Chinese workers(and is thus affordable for many), sip coffee from a cup cast in you know where.
    The fact of the matter is that China is the world's factory, and for that reason alone has the clout to decide what it wants to do. Buy USA? Righto. Heaps of options out there.
    The fact is that Google is getting its ass kicked by Baidu, controlling less than 30% of search traffic in China. Revenue was in the low millions, as opposed to about twenty-plus billion (if I recall) worldwide. Taking this chance to pull out of China is nothing more than a PR move by Google. Nothing moves in Google without a review of all important data, and I think that Google just realised that the country is not worth their while. For now that is.
    Who loses in this? My bet is on Google. And those who whine about the lack of democracy over in China, well they can just pack up their pork barrel politics and army of lobbyists and jump off the nearest cliff.



    Quote Originally Posted by aryanto View Post
    ...the problem is that china is the convenient punching bag for senate members in US

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    They dont really need to 'hope' since its pretty much a reality already. Baidu handles over half of search traffic in China.
    Google entered in 06 (I think) and since then has failed to take over the market as they have in other regions.

    Quote Originally Posted by raincool2005 View Post
    other than security and military issues, i believe it is also economic reason, the chinese hope to have baidu.com more acceptable and known by own country rather than google (which is from the west)

    compare baidu.com vs google.com ( see !!! they looked so smiliar !!! )

    this is a smart move

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    To China, Google is insignificant but to Google....

    Google will not move out of China. they have more to loose.

    Bottom line is the market in China is huge to ignore!
    Last edited by Yappy; 19th January 2010 at 12:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    i know that facebook and wordpress are very heavily restricted in china.
    When in Rome.. do what the Romans.... Google will not move out of China

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