D70 caution #1: Hidden costs for flash!!

khinmarn · 29th February 2004

D70 buyers caution #1: Flash TTL is DEAD!! (= prepare to spend more hard-earned $$$)!!

Can you beat it, with the introduction of i-TTL, D70 has killed off the TTL flash using older flash units such as SB-28, 50, 80!!

Go figure, the flash can only work in M mode or A Non-TTL auto. So either throw away the flash or PAY $$$ for the SB800/600. Let the buyers beware cause this adds up to the D70 ownership costs.

espn · 29th February 2004

Urm. D2H already came with i-TTL, newer models of the DSLRs will be featuring i-TTL soon. The SB**DXs are already no longer in production, good thing about the SB-800/600 is that there's still D-TTL for the older DSLRs.

Don't forget there's also film cameras still, these can still use the SB** series of flash.

robinchee · 29th February 2004

Originally Posted by khinmarn

D70 buyers caution #1: Flash TTL is DEAD!! (= prepare to spend more hard-earned $$$)!!

Can you beat it, with the introduction of i-TTL, D70 has killed off the TTL flash using older flash units such as SB-28, 50, 80!!

Go figure, the flash can only work in M mode or A Non-TTL auto. So either throw away the flash or PAY $$$ for the SB800/600. Let the buyers beware cause this adds up to the D70 ownership costs.

Actually I find the A Non-ttl mode pretty accurate ..

sfhuang · 29th February 2004

Originally Posted by robinchee

Actually I find the A Non-ttl mode pretty accurate ..

Agree. 'A Non-ttl' simply means that only the sensor on your flash is used for flash computation. It's quite accurate even without on-camera TTL.

tangoninazero · 29th February 2004

hmmmm so does that means SB-80DX is not useful with this camera?

Ian · 29th February 2004

Originally Posted by khinmarn

D70 buyers caution #1: Flash TTL is DEAD!! (= prepare to spend more hard-earned $$$)!!

Can you beat it, with the introduction of i-TTL, D70 has killed off the TTL flash using older flash units such as SB-28, 50, 80!!

Go figure, the flash can only work in M mode or A Non-TTL auto. So either throw away the flash or PAY $$$ for the SB800/600. Let the buyers beware cause this adds up to the D70 ownership costs.

I guess you didn't bother to read either the promotional matieral, nor the online reviews where the need to upgrade to the new external flash units was made abundently clear.

jeff49er · 29th February 2004

Originally Posted by khinmarn

D70 buyers caution #1: Flash TTL is DEAD!! (= prepare to spend more hard-earned $$$)!!

Can you beat it, with the introduction of i-TTL, D70 has killed off the TTL flash using older flash units such as SB-28, 50, 80!!

Go figure, the flash can only work in M mode or A Non-TTL auto. So either throw away the flash or PAY $$$ for the SB800/600. Let the buyers beware cause this adds up to the D70 ownership costs.

Companies anyway will have to come up with new models and new techno stuff so that they can continue to earn our hard earned $.

New model=new revenue

Beachboy · 29th February 2004

Lucky i already buy SB800

khinmarn · 29th February 2004

Originally Posted by Ian

I guess you didn't bother to read either the promotional matieral, nor the online reviews where the need to upgrade to the new external flash units was made abundently clear.

From my usual sources for first hand information including DPreview, NO mention of auxililary flash feature or anywhere stating this so ABUNDANTLY clear.

Either you must have received priviledge information or you must have read the online manual thoroughly. For me, I am only stating what I come to realize AFTER I buy the camera and reading the manual to discover this. I hope that whoever purchasing this otherwise EXCELLENT camera would make a fully informed decision.

And oh by the way, Nikon had always pride about their backward compatibilities, go figure this one out. Now it has degenerated to not only a non-matrix flash let alone OEM entry level non-TTL flash function comparable to any $30 job.

Of course I am bitching about it cause I paid $400 for my SB28. Sorry you don't feel the same.

sfhuang · 1st March 2004

Originally Posted by khinmarn

And oh by the way, Nikon had always pride about their backward compatibilities, go figure this one out. Now it has degenerated to not only a non-matrix flash let alone OEM entry level non-TTL flash function comparable to any $30 job.

I don't quite agree with you on this one, especially ever since they came up with G lenses.

Zerstorer · 1st March 2004

Originally Posted by khinmarn

Of course I am bitching about it cause I paid $400 for my SB28. Sorry you don't feel the same.

Hate to say this, but if you have been reading dpreview or have kept up with Nikon developments occuring in the past 3yrs surely you must know that none of the non DX flashes such as your SB28 can work with ANY Nikon DSLR in TTL mode.

So what's new about the D70 being unable to work with a SB28?

jOhO · 1st March 2004

ahahhahha

zerstorer, u beat me to the reply..

khinmarn, sorree to hear of such a "mishap" but it looks here that u weren't really misled by nikon.

well, u could sell ur d70, and get an s2 or wait for s3, then ur flash can be used..

Watcher · 1st March 2004

Originally Posted by Zerstorer

Hate to say this, but if you have been reading dpreview or have kept up with Nikon developments occuring in the past 3yrs surely you must know that none of the non DX flashes such as your SB28 can work with ANY Nikon DSLR in TTL mode.

So what's new about the D70 being unable to work with a SB28?

Precisely! Can the SB-28 work with the D-TTL of D100? No. Since the day of D100's release, 2 years ago.

Jed · 1st March 2004

Ditto. Zerstorer's already said it. Ever since the D1 came out the original flash guns have been unable to TTL with Nikon digital SLRs, due to the different reflective behaviour of CCD/CMOS/LBCAST sensors compared to film. Nikon have never claimed the flash units are completely compatible, and the F3 has been a classic example of how their flash units have never exactly been compatible across the line.

Besides, for the price of a 10D, you can get a better camera, a free lens and free off camera flash... what more do you want

(Canon users no need to respond please, that was tongue in cheek)

gadrian · 1st March 2004

Originally Posted by khinmarn

And oh by the way, Nikon had always pride about their backward compatibilities, go figure this one out. Now it has degenerated to not only a non-matrix flash let alone OEM entry level non-TTL flash function comparable to any $30 job.

Hmm.. lets see.. backward compatibility..

1. VR lenses can be used on the F5 - released in 1996
2. AFS - Can be used on the F4 - release 1988
3. AI/AIS lenses from the 1960's can be used right now.. even on the D2H
4. SB-800 can be used on all Nikon bodies right up to the F.

Hmm just to name a few things..

I would expect Nikon to move forward in its technology and would expect that in time.. some items will not be compatible from the past to the present.

Zerstorer · 1st March 2004

Originally Posted by Watcher

Precisely! Can the SB-28 work with the D-TTL of D100? No. Since the day of D100's release, 2 years ago.

Since the D1 release actually. That was in the year 2000.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1/page2.asp

Since then there has been D1x, D1h, D100, D70. What's new?

Watcher · 1st March 2004

For a quick guide, (which khinmarn has done researched but those who has not), read Thom Hogan's summary of recent flash models features.

BTW, when did the SB-28DX come out? That was the day that the SB-28 became obsoleted...

Oops answered my own question. SB-28 and SB-28DX came out at the same time back in Mar 2001 (from the PDF of the brochure off Nikon SG's website). Stated that the SB-28DX was "designed specially for the Nikon D1 series" and goes on to say D1-series (SB-28DX only).

So, a 3 year old brochure stated it clearly...

Zerstorer · 1st March 2004

Ok, let my play both sides. SB800 can't work with non CLS cameras in FP-sync mode since it is only selectable on camera. That means that it loses even manual FP-Sync functionality with the earlier bodies. That sucks......anyone has a solution?

Those who still own a film body better not be too hasty to dump ur old flashes for that spanking new SB800/600.

Jed · 1st March 2004

Originally Posted by Watcher

Precisely! Can the SB-28 work with the D-TTL of D100? No. Since the day of D100's release, 2 years ago.

Actually, since the D1, 3.5 years ago.

YSLee · 1st March 2004

Originally Posted by khinmarn

From my usual sources for first hand information including DPreview, NO mention of auxililary flash feature or anywhere stating this so ABUNDANTLY clear.

*whine whine whine*

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond70/page4.asp

"The D70 has a standard Nikon hot-shoe which supports a wide range of Nikon Speedlights including the new SB-800 and SB-600, these new flashes support the Nikon i-TTL flash metering protocol. One thing the D70 doesn't support is D-TTL metering."

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Watcher Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The heart of the Abyss Posts: 2,319	For a quick guide, (which khinmarn has done researched but those who has not), read Thom Hogan's summary of recent flash models features. BTW, when did the SB-28DX come out? That was the day that the SB-28 became obsoleted... Oops answered my own question. SB-28 and SB-28DX came out at the same time back in Mar 2001 (from the PDF of the brochure off Nikon SG's website). Stated that the SB-28DX was "designed specially for the Nikon D1 series" and goes on to say D1-series (SB-28DX only). So, a 3 year old brochure stated it clearly... Last edited by Watcher; 1st March 2004 at 01:13 AM.

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Zerstorer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,610	Ok, let my play both sides. SB800 can't work with non CLS cameras in FP-sync mode since it is only selectable on camera. That means that it loses even manual FP-Sync functionality with the earlier bodies. That sucks......anyone has a solution? Those who still own a film body better not be too hasty to dump ur old flashes for that spanking new SB800/600. Last edited by Zerstorer; 1st March 2004 at 01:05 AM.

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khinmarn Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 161	D70 caution #1: Hidden costs for flash!! D70 buyers caution #1: Flash TTL is DEAD!! (= prepare to spend more hard-earned $$$)!! Can you beat it, with the introduction of i-TTL, D70 has killed off the TTL flash using older flash units such as SB-28, 50, 80!! Go figure, the flash can only work in M mode or A Non-TTL auto. So either throw away the flash or PAY $$$ for the SB800/600. Let the buyers beware cause this adds up to the D70 ownership costs.

29th February 2004	#2
espn Deregistered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Planet Nikon Posts: 22,045	Urm. D2H already came with i-TTL, newer models of the DSLRs will be featuring i-TTL soon. The SBDXs are already no longer in production, good thing about the SB-800/600 is that there's still D-TTL for the older DSLRs. Don't forget there's also film cameras still, these can still use the SB series of flash.

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Beachboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Singapore, Jurong East Posts: 1,104	Lucky i already buy SB800

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jOhO Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 6,460	ahahhahha zerstorer, u beat me to the reply.. khinmarn, sorree to hear of such a "mishap" but it looks here that u weren't really misled by nikon. well, u could sell ur d70, and get an s2 or wait for s3, then ur flash can be used..

1st March 2004	#14
Jed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,082	Ditto. Zerstorer's already said it. Ever since the D1 came out the original flash guns have been unable to TTL with Nikon digital SLRs, due to the different reflective behaviour of CCD/CMOS/LBCAST sensors compared to film. Nikon have never claimed the flash units are completely compatible, and the F3 has been a classic example of how their flash units have never exactly been compatible across the line. Besides, for the price of a 10D, you can get a better camera, a free lens and free off camera flash... what more do you want (Canon users no need to respond please, that was tongue in cheek)