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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Dude, read man, read. Posted it in plain sight for you and you can keep asking the same stuff over and over again. Makes me feel stupid and useless.
    "7. The relationship between the 2 companies Tokina and Hoya is very tricky and very shaded. Both companies do not talk much about it. But there is talk that Hoya has a very big stake in Tokina (or owns it all). BTW, Tokina manufacture all Hoya/kenko filters using Hoya glass. Tokina is still a private ltd company, so there is no need to reveal who are the owners. But all over the internet it seems to point to the fact that Hoya owns Tokina, either that or the founders of Hoya owns Tokina. BTW, Pentax is also a subsidary of Hoya as well."

    Dude, read carefully too. i said that because of your point 7,
    anything wrong saying Hoya related to a few companies (kenko and tokina)?
    anything wrong saying all the 3 companies hoya, kenko and tokina using the same hoya glass(quoted from your point 7) ?

    you dont have to feel stupid or useless if you think newbie cannot understand your statement, but you may have to learn to be more polite.
    If you feel frustrated teaching a newbie who may not be able to understand you, you can simply dont come to this thread. i am sure there are lots of bro can do your job to answer my question too.
    Last edited by takengo2003; 7th January 2010 at 09:47 AM.

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    ... 6. Hoya and Kenko filters are same thing branded for different markets. They share some same model naming too, like the Pro 1 D range. Hoya HD = Kenko Zeta. Same. Kenko is slightly cheaper than Hoya. All made by Tokina using Hoya glass. I use Kenko mostly. Kenko is a private ltd and Hoya is a public company. There are talk that Kenko is either owned by one of the founders of Hoya or actually owned by Hoya itself.

    7. The relationship between the 2 companies Tokina and Hoya is very tricky and very shaded. Both companies do not talk much about it. But there is talk that Hoya has a very big stake in Tokina (or owns it all). BTW, Tokina manufacture all Hoya/kenko filters using Hoya glass. Tokina is still a private ltd company, so there is no need to reveal who are the owners. But all over the internet it seems to point to the fact that Hoya owns Tokina, either that or the founders of Hoya owns Tokina. BTW, Pentax is also a subsidary of Hoya as well.

    8. Price wise, Tokina is cheapest because they do not offer higher ranged filters. Kenko filters are almost identical to Hoya filters. Kenko is always just slightly cheaper, because Kenko stuff are mostly parallel imported into Singapore from China (where stuff are cheaper). Apparently Kenko Japan has a authorized distributor in China, and Kenko is really very popular among China photographers.
    Quote Originally Posted by takengo2003 View Post
    "7. The relationship between the 2 companies Tokina and Hoya is very tricky and very shaded. Both companies do not talk much about it. But there is talk that Hoya has a very big stake in Tokina (or owns it all). BTW, Tokina manufacture all Hoya/kenko filters using Hoya glass. Tokina is still a private ltd company, so there is no need to reveal who are the owners. But all over the internet it seems to point to the fact that Hoya owns Tokina, either that or the founders of Hoya owns Tokina. BTW, Pentax is also a subsidary of Hoya as well."

    Dude, read carefully too. i said that because of your point 7,
    anything wrong saying Hoya related to a few companies (kenko and tokina)?
    anything wrong saying all the 3 companies hoya, kenko and tokina using the same hoya glass(quoted from your point 7) ?

    you dont have to feel stupid or useless if you think newbie cannot understand your statement, but you may have to learn to be more polite.
    If you feel frustrated teaching a newbie who may not be able to understand you, you can simply dont come to this thread. i am sure there are lots of bro can do your job to answer my question too.
    You are not wrong to say that 2 statements. You are just asking a question to answers I have already posted. That is why I ask you to read. It is not an issue with understanding. It is an issue of you not reading properly.

    I zoomed in on the exact parts that is a direct answer to your following questions:

    " can i say the hoya, kenko and tokina glass quality is the same.
    so is it more economical to get kenko or tokina?"


    Hope you see it clearly now?

    And how am I not polite in my previous post? I am just asking you to read what has been posted and if I keep posting the same thing over and over again, I feel stupid and useless. Never once did I use terms to refer to you or your ability. At least I try to answer your questions and not give you the usual "The Search Function is there for a reason". Now I am starting to understand why some senior members can get so frustrated.

    If you can't take constructive criticisms, it may be better if you post your questions elsewhere and expect to be spoonfed elsewhere.
    Last edited by daredevil123; 7th January 2010 at 10:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by takengo2003 View Post
    firstly, thanks for coming in here to share info.

    Seems like Hoya is related to a few companies, if Kenko and Tokina are using hoya glass, can i say the hoya, kenko and tokina glass quality is the same.
    so is it more economical to get kenko or tokina?
    dear daredevil123,

    actually my main question is "is it more economical to get kenko or tokina", since they make from the same hoya glass.
    i am expecting debate on "yes, more economical since same glass" , or "No, Hoya is better (who knows their QC is better), hence price higher".

    Hope you understand my concern.

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by takengo2003 View Post
    dear daredevil123,

    actually my main question is "is it more economical to get kenko or tokina", since they make from the same hoya glass.
    i am expecting debate on "yes, more economical since same glass" , or "No, Hoya is better (who knows their QC is better), hence price higher".

    Hope you understand my concern.
    Didn't my statement that Kenko is identical to Hoya and it cheaper mean the same thing?????

    Which part of IDENTICAL and CHEAPER do you not understand?

    Do I still need to tell you YES again?? My goodness!!!

    And if you have further questions on this, the Search function is there for a reason. Don't expect to be spoon-fed. (There you go.)
    Last edited by daredevil123; 7th January 2010 at 11:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Didn't my statement that Kenko is identical to Hoya and it cheaper mean the same thing?????

    Do I still need to tell you YES again?? My goodness!!!
    bro, QC makes the difference.

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by takengo2003 View Post
    bro, QC makes the difference.
    The filters are ALL made by Tokina using Hoya glass, QC by tokina. With the same specs, same process, same production lines.

    They are all owned by the same people.

    What more do you want to know? That is why I say they are IDENTICAL. If they have a different QC process, they are no longer identical.

    *slap on the forehead*

    You know what? You should get B+W, Rodenstock or Heliopan since you are so concerned about minute differences in performance. Get the best money can buy. Oh wait, Rodenstock and Heliopan are made by the same company too! Here we go again..............
    Last edited by daredevil123; 7th January 2010 at 11:11 AM.

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Ok. let me clear the air a little bit.

    1. UV rays do not cause damage to your lens or hardware. Actually, UV is good as it kills fungus.

    2. UV filter is more applicable in the film days, where film can be affected by too much UV light. Digital camera sensors have no problem with UV rays. People use UV filters more or less as a habit from the film days for protection over the lens. Nowadays, you see newer filters called "protector" and Nikon's NC (clear). These filters just protect and do not filter UV. The only thing you need to think about is multi-coating. Since adding a piece of glass in front of your lens can affect IQ in terms of flare and reflections, multi-coating aims to reduce that.

    3. CPL is used to reduce glare, reflections and get more color contrast in the sky.

    4. Using CPL on top of a UV or protector filter is not advisable. On wider lenses, it can cause vignetting, and the more extra glass you have in front of your lens, the more problems you will get.

    5. Remember to remove your UV or protector filters when shooting at night to prevent ghosting or flaring. The best IQ you will get is when there is no filter in front of your lens.

    6. Hoya and Kenko filters are same thing branded for different markets. They share some same model naming too, like the Pro 1 D range. Hoya HD = Kenko Zeta. Same. Kenko is slightly cheaper than Hoya. All made by Tokina using Hoya glass. I use Kenko mostly. Kenko is a private ltd and Hoya is a public company. There are talk that Kenko is either owned by one of the founders of Hoya or actually owned by Hoya itself.

    7. The relationship between the 2 companies Tokina and Hoya is very tricky and very shaded. Both companies do not talk much about it. But there is talk that Hoya has a very big stake in Tokina (or owns it all). BTW, Tokina manufacture all Hoya/kenko filters using Hoya glass. Tokina is still a private ltd company, so there is no need to reveal who are the owners. But all over the internet it seems to point to the fact that Hoya owns Tokina, either that or the founders of Hoya owns Tokina. BTW, Pentax is also a subsidary of Hoya as well.

    8. Price wise, Tokina is cheapest because they do not offer higher ranged filters. Kenko filters are almost identical to Hoya filters. Kenko is always just slightly cheaper, because Kenko stuff are mostly parallel imported into Singapore from China (where stuff are cheaper). Apparently Kenko Japan has a authorized distributor in China, and Kenko is really very popular among China photographers.


    tks alot brother!!! very helpful!!!

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    after reading the first few replies from TS... all i can say is :arggghhhh....

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    UV rays from the sun is not powerful enough to kill fungus, if the fungus is on your lens but still in their spores (seed) form, UV from the sun also cannot help.

    it's just a minor correction to point 1) of a helpful guide..
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    Is it confirmed that UV filters add glare to your camera which is bad. I tried shooting street lights at night and the glare was horrible. I tried removing the UV filter and shoot with just the lens, there is still a small amount of glare but it is better compared with shooting with the UV filter.

    Can someone confirm?

    So how to avoid glare when you are shooting bright lights at night?

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    I vote for Kenko Pro1 filter, i just purchased a few of them and find no problems whatsoever, I have owned Hoya HD and B+W and in the end ended up with more Kenko filters for my newer lens as they are much more affordable in terms of pricing and quality wise.

    below are detailed review of the different brand of filters.
    http://www.lenstip.com/113.4-article...d_summary.html

    HOYA HD review

    http://www.lenstip.com/120.5-article..._UV_67_mm.html

    Ranking According to the review



    Suprisingly Kenko PRO 1 filters scored higher above the normal B+W haze filter.
    Last edited by sh1ng0; 7th January 2010 at 12:50 PM.

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Sorry to hijack this thread, there are various filter size for CPL filter.
    52-72mm range, at least...
    Can tell what difference it make?
    (I searched liao, no result leh..... don't shoot me..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttyh1812 View Post
    Sorry to hijack this thread, there are various filter size for CPL filter.
    52-72mm range, at least...
    Can tell what difference it make?
    (I searched liao, no result leh..... don't shoot me..)
    there are various size for ALL filters, buy the size that suit ur lens. If your lens has 77mm head then buy 77mm filter. As simple as that.

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by ttyh1812 View Post
    Sorry to hijack this thread, there are various filter size for CPL filter.
    52-72mm range, at least...
    Can tell what difference it make?
    (I searched liao, no result leh..... don't shoot me..)
    Bcoz our lenses come in diff diameter as well. Just get the one which will git nicely with your lens.
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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by ttyh1812 View Post
    Sorry to hijack this thread, there are various filter size for CPL filter.
    52-72mm range, at least...
    Can tell what difference it make?
    (I searched liao, no result leh..... don't shoot me..)
    dun mean to shoot u...

    do you know UV filter also have 52-72 or even up to 82mm or more?

    if you know the reason y is there diff sizes for UV, it applied to be the same as UV filter for CPL.
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    Thanks a lot for the replies.
    For UV filter, MS color just paired up during my camera purchase, so I never ask.
    Now starting to get the feel of snapping at glasses/windows, thus looking for CPL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonipox View Post
    Is it confirmed that UV filters add glare to your camera which is bad. I tried shooting street lights at night and the glare was horrible. I tried removing the UV filter and shoot with just the lens, there is still a small amount of glare but it is better compared with shooting with the UV filter.

    Can someone confirm?

    So how to avoid glare when you are shooting bright lights at night?
    What brand and type of filter are you using? low quality filter may have caused the glare. Some filters were no better than good quality window glass. It is cruel to say but true. As far as the light transmission is concerned the old reading glass lens was much better than cheap filters, and the regular window glass wasn’t much further behind.

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    Please TS ....

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by elavan View Post
    UV rays from the sun is not powerful enough to kill fungus, if the fungus is on your lens but still in their spores (seed) form, UV from the sun also cannot help.

    it's just a minor correction to point 1) of a helpful guide..
    Yes, I am just exaggerating. But some extreme dudes in the states are building UV light chambers for their camera equipment. But UV from the sun is not strong enough to have enough effect for short periods. But I am just trying to make a point that UV is not bad.

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    Default Re: Filter questions : UV vs CPL, hoya, tokina and Kenko

    Quote Originally Posted by sh1ng0 View Post
    I vote for Kenko Pro1 filter, i just purchased a few of them and find no problems whatsoever, I have owned Hoya HD and B+W and in the end ended up with more Kenko filters for my newer lens as they are much more affordable in terms of pricing and quality wise.

    below are detailed review of the different brand of filters.
    http://www.lenstip.com/113.4-article...d_summary.html

    HOYA HD review

    http://www.lenstip.com/120.5-article..._UV_67_mm.html

    Ranking According to the review


    Suprisingly Kenko PRO 1 filters scored higher above the normal B+W haze filter.

    You will be surprised more by the CPL rankings done by Lenstip recently.

    http://www.lenstip.com/115.1-article...ters_test.html

    Marumi Super DHG CPL is one of the top rated, and it is hella cheap and came to a tie with B+W's MRC KSM CPL slim but at less than half of the price. Not available in Singapore, trust me, I have been searching high and low for it for 6 months now. Will look for it in china later this month.
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