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    Default Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    I'm getting a serious camera for my hobby and sometimes required projects. I have around 2-3k budget. At 1st i was interested in m4/3 cameras, such as the latest Ep-2, but getting it with Panny 17mm and another lenses (around 2.3k+), i can get a good DSLR cameras such as D90 or 50D with 1 good lens.

    I like the portability of m4/3 cameras, but tempted to invest in lenses for DSLR in the future.

    My projects mainly in shooting exterior buildings, landscapes.

    Good advices needed, thank you

    haiiz... this is 2nd post, 1st post at wrong sections, sorry....

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    The m4/3 will not match the DSLR in terms of final IQ output, or at least I was told by one Engineer.

    The answer is easy: Ask yourself what is the conceivable highest/most critical final output requirements of your projects and you will have your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    The m4/3 will not match the DSLR in terms of final IQ output, or at least I was told by one Engineer.

    The answer is easy: Ask yourself what is the conceivable highest/most critical final output requirements of your projects and you will have your answer.
    I think both fits my requirement for the projects

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    if you are really s-e-r-i-o-u-s you can consider a second hand full frame dslr (eg a 5d). you would also have a larger range of ultra wide lenses to choose from if you are into landscapes/buildings, etc. however the cam would be heavy. the m4/3 scores very highly on portability, but the 2x crop means you have limited choices for uwa lenses.

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    The m4/3 will not match the DSLR in terms of final IQ output, or at least I was told by one Engineer.

    The answer is easy: Ask yourself what is the conceivable highest/most critical final output requirements of your projects and you will have your answer.
    Just curious but why would m4/3 not match up to a DSLR in IQ? As far as I can tell, it uses the exact same sensor as that of the 4/3 DSLRs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar
    if you are really s-e-r-i-o-u-s you can consider a second hand full frame dslr (eg a 5d). you would also have a larger range of ultra wide lenses to choose from if you are into landscapes/buildings, etc. however the cam would be heavy. the m4/3 scores very highly on portability, but the 2x crop means you have limited choices for uwa lenses.
    Olympus will be releasing the 9-18 (equiv. to 18-36) lens early next year and the Panasonic 7-14 (equiv. 14-28) is already available. IIRC, a Fisheye is also in the line up from Olympus.
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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    The m4/3 has served me well (I used a Panasonic G1 for more than a year). You should ask this question in the m4/3 community, to understand what are the pros and cons of a m4/3 system.

    Judging by what you need, I'd say a m4/3 should fit your requirements well. One reason I moved to the Dark Side is the low-light capabilities of m4/3 systems are not as good as some of the mainstream DSLRs like Nikon. But there are plenty of pros that have been discussed thoroughly in m4/3 forum already

    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=617890 is a good place to start.

    I never regretted getting my G1. I would have regretted not getting my G1.
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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    Just curious but why would m4/3 not match up to a DSLR in IQ? As far as I can tell, it uses the exact same sensor as that of the 4/3 DSLRs.
    Really?

    A FF is 36 x 24 mm (8.64 cm²)
    A Nikon DX is 23.6 x 15.8 mm (3.72 cm²)
    Canon uses 22.2 x 14.8 mm (3.28 cm²)
    Any 4/3 including the E3 uses 18.00 x 13.50 mm (2.43 cm²).

    Different manufacturers... so even if talking about FF, Canon and Nikon are not same same leh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Really?

    A FF is 36 x 24 mm (8.64 cm²)
    A Nikon DX is 23.6 x 15.8 mm (3.72 cm²)
    Canon uses 22.2 x 14.8 mm (3.28 cm²)
    Any 4/3 including the E3 uses 18.00 x 13.50 mm (2.43 cm²).

    Different manufacturers... so even if talking about FF, Canon and Nikon are not same same leh.
    FF is the same for Nikon and Canon at 36 x 24 (D700, 5D2) with perhaps minor differences (D3X 25.9 x 24). Crop is different.

    I think a m4/3 camera can perform as well as the other major brands except for a little more noise since the sensor is smaller. m4/3 can definitely be considered but if you are tempted to invest in lenses for DSLR in the future then get a DSLR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    Olympus will be releasing the 9-18 (equiv. to 18-36) lens early next year and the Panasonic 7-14 (equiv. 14-28) is already available. IIRC, a Fisheye is also in the line up from Olympus.
    yes, but......compared to the vast availability of good 2nd hand canikonsonypentaxsigmatamrontokina lenses already out there you can really pick and choose according to your budget and needs.....

    btw if your photos are only meant for the web or small print sizes, then sensor size is not really an issue. m4/3 is fine.
    Last edited by Elessar; 15th December 2009 at 06:18 PM.

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    it is about
    - prioritisation
    - expectations and needs.

    for portability and decent quality, m4/3 is a good consideration (i'm considering one).

    for value, quality and versatilibility, DSLR is good. u can easily get a 2nd hand not-the-latest model and get it very cheaply and shoot just as well.

    however, good lens do weigh the DSLR down even further. you do not automatically get better image quality with a DSLR

    portable m4/3 lens is not that many. they have a smaller support base and is more eager to increase the base by keep changing, and may not support backward compatibility. it is a big sum to pay but may or may not last you for that long.
    Last edited by zoossh; 15th December 2009 at 10:54 PM.

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    Hey guys, thank you for the invaluable comments

    Yes, i do worried about the low light conditions for the m4/3 cameras but i dun think i will shoot indoor or night scenes so often.

    I have 2 friends, 1 is a Canon user and he let me tried his 30D camera, i like Canon interfaces, very easy to use, comfortable to hold.

    Another friend is a Nikon user, tried his D90, a bit big and heavy, but he told me "Canon are made from engineers, Nikon are made from photographers" hahaha... quite funny.

    I'm open on buying a 2nd hand DSLR or even m4/3 cameras, i just need to research more on them.... hmm...

    Currently looking at Pen 1, 50D, D90... any cameras you guys can recommend within my budget is deeply appreciated.

    thank you again guys
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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    it is about
    - prioritisation
    - expectations and needs.

    for portability and decent quality, m4/3 is a good consideration (i'm considering one).

    for value, quality and versatilibility, DSLR is good. u can easily get a 2nd hand not-the-latest model and get it very cheaply and shoot just as well.

    however, good lens do weigh the DSLR down even further. you do not automatically get better image quality with a DSLR

    portable m4/3 lens is not that many. they have a smaller support base and is more eager to increase the base by keep changing, and may not support backward compatibility. it is a big sum to pay but may or may not last you for that long.
    There is no backward compatibility issue with m4/3 or 4/3 because there are no "backward" or legacy lenses to support in the first place. You buy a m4/3 or 4/3 lens now and it'll still be usable with any m4/3 or 4/3 camera in the future.

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    i was kinda putoff by the high price of the m4/3 kits compared to the dslr. specially with all your comments about the superior performance of the latter. so is the price premium because of the m4/3 portability? is it worth the $$$?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    There is no backward compatibility issue with m4/3 or 4/3 because there are no "backward" or legacy lenses to support in the first place. You buy a m4/3 or 4/3 lens now and it'll still be usable with any m4/3 or 4/3 camera in the future.
    m4/3 body can use 4/3 lens.

    4/3 body cannot use m4/3 lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orson View Post
    i was kinda putoff by the high price of the m4/3 kits compared to the dslr. specially with all your comments about the superior performance of the latter. so is the price premium because of the m4/3 portability? is it worth the $$$?
    If you are not willing to pay for the m4/3, try the E-620.

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    There is no backward compatibility issue with m4/3 or 4/3 because there are no "backward" or legacy lenses to support in the first place. You buy a m4/3 or 4/3 lens now and it'll still be usable with any m4/3 or 4/3 camera in the future.
    compatibility is not all about lens. there are other accessories such as the electronic viewfinder.

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    Quote Originally Posted by orson View Post
    i was kinda putoff by the high price of the m4/3 kits compared to the dslr. specially with all your comments about the superior performance of the latter. so is the price premium because of the m4/3 portability? is it worth the $$$?
    to some, leica is worth the $. to some, they won't pay that kind of money. so whether worthy or not really depend on certain things.

    the portability may be impt for those who carry a smaller bag, who want to carry the camera everywhere without burdening the shoulder, who want to be less conspicuous in their approach, and who do not want to be viewed with high expectations or be criminally harassed by security guards.

    to some, the form factor and design is impt. they pay for it as a fashion statement - whether or not they justify otherwise is another matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    to some, leica is worth the $. to some, they won't pay that kind of money. so whether worthy or not really depend on certain things.

    the portability may be impt for those who carry a smaller bag, who want to carry the camera everywhere without burdening the shoulder, who want to be less conspicuous in their approach, and who do not want to be viewed with high expectations or be criminally harassed by security guards.

    to some, the form factor and design is impt. they pay for it as a fashion statement - whether or not they justify otherwise is another matter.
    I always kenna harrased by security guards!!!
    Done a few projects with my photgrapher, 1 DSLR, 1 tripod, hor seh liao, havent shoot already kenna stop. Then i told them it's not against the law to shoot the buildings, especially outside their premises, they just told me to go away, LOL

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    Imagine putting yourself in a fictional imaginary cage.
    As you learn more in the hobby, the cage gets too small and prevents you from growing.
    That imaginary cage is .....(better not say or else other people get angry)

    Then again, you could buy both.
    There are some advantages such as small size to the other choice.

    But by and large, for those of us who already have legacy lenses from the 35mm SLR film cameras, it is no contest. I want to use them. And if I can afford it -- at FULL FRAME meaning the 35mm frame. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/135_film

    Because if you have a high-end expensive 20mm wide angle lens you want to take landscapes with it. You do not want to end up with a 40mm focal length and a 2x factor.
    Last edited by ricohflex; 17th December 2009 at 12:26 PM.

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    Default Re: Should i go for m4/3 or DSLR cameras?

    m4/3 is something like a prosumer camera, the only diff is that you can change lens and use MF to shoot.
    Many people use m4/3 for holidays.

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