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    Knowledge sharing. kungfu and wushu explained

    About Chinese Martial Arts

    Kung Fu (Gong Fu, or Gung Fu)

    Derived from the Shaolin Temple, most kung fu today still bears strong resemblances to the more traditional Shaolin kung fu style.) Bei Shaolin ("Northern Shaolin") may have been the first branch of a Chinese martial art to branch off from the ShaolinTemple. What resulted from such spin-offs is a nearlly endless series of styles with all their different forms, movements, teachniques and ideas about defense and fighting strategies.) At the root of all these myriad styles, however, is the original Shaolin Temple Kung Fu (this is the style taught at our school).

    Kung Fu is surprisingly still little understood in the US. While many schools exist, primarily asian students abound in them. It would be a worthwhile venture for any martial arts student to-be to investigate kung fu along with the other arts he or she is thinking about taking. Chinese marketing skills are not as notorious in the West as Korean and Japanese have been, and this hides a great many treasures, such as the beautiful and incredibly powerful and practical martial art of Shaolin Kung Fu and other kung fu styles that have since emerged.

    Wu Shu (or Wushu)
    The Shoalin Temple has either created or influenced all asian martial arts, and more directly influenced all CHinese martial Arts. Modern-day Wushu is a flashy interpretation of Shaolin kung fu meant for demonstrations and competitions. Most wushu stances, however, are notably low, like Shaolin kung fu itself, and is an art that employs similarly fast martial-styled movements, with less emphasis on actual impact power and self-defense applications. Modern-day Wushu has been called both dance and martial art in one. Wushu in its original form, however, was simply what we now would tend to kow as kung fu.

    more from http://www.houstonshaolin.com/chinese-martial-arts.htm

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    In an outdoor environment, I think wushu may still stand a chance. In an enclosed ring however, I think muay thai will win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazmee View Post
    I think Chuck Norris is stronger.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by forward View Post
    Your observations and comments show that
    you do not have a single clue of what real martial
    arts training is all about. Do not underestimate the
    Chinese who has both - in building economic
    power together with mighty extreme self-defense.
    They will never want to loose face in both areas.

    Though it is interesting to put together a top
    champion from Muay Thai against an artist
    from China's Shaolin kung fu camp, we will
    be able to see if the Muay Thai boxer could
    release a speed equivalent to a serpent's strike.

    In a real encounter between two well trained
    martial artistes, it is speed that counts.
    The one who can strike a deadly hit faster
    will be able to weaken or bring down his opponent
    first.

    It is very difficult for a Muay Tai boxer
    to be faster than one who is well trained and
    disciplined in all form of Chinese martial arts.

    Wake up! Real Shaolin as we think of it from legend is barely practiced anymore or gone. There's more real Shaolin traditional martial artists in SE asia than the mainland I'm betting! The shaolin kung fu camp as it is in mainland right now is a joke and a tourist organization propped up by the government even the mainland Chinese know this. They have san shou fighters but that isn't traditional shaolin. Nor do they fight in traditional shaolin style. Just a bunch of wushu acrobatic athletes. Fact is China does not have world class fighters whether they need face or not they still can't really compete. The speed of a modern shaolin wushu acrobat vs. the power and toughness of a real thai boxer? I would like the Shaolin guy to win because I'm Chinese but I put my bets on the thai boxer if my money is involved.

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    I think it depends on the individual to bring out the best in his art...
    Guy with slow reaction, unable to withstand hits, no strength or agility, even with the Best Martial Arts, he will not win the guy who is able to hit hard, moves fast, quick reflexes and all, but only knows simple punch and kick techniques.
    Between MThai and KFu, i think they are both brilliantly beautiful.
    And perhaps none more powerful then the other since both have their strengths

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    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee View Post
    but now the question is, masters (grand master maybe, i dont know) of their own form, who else more qualify to test it?
    Haha, funny how u still stubborn after so many post by people..
    Answer is NONE loh. Everyone is human, how to objectively match..

    Even if miraculously u find x2 person totally equally matched in terms of experience, stamina..etc.(which is impossible). The loser will still say the weather not gd that day, affects his mood...lol

    WHO dares say he represents and can rightly compete in such event on behalf of all other practitioner?! The loser will lose all standing among his compatriots. Quite boliao really..

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    neither. whoever who makes the biggest mistakes during a fight will lose.
    pedantic.

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    let both of them fight in UFC..
    one who can take down opponent to the ground and do ground and pound (i assume both don't have good ground game submission) will win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rez_pt View Post
    let both of them fight in UFC..
    one who can take down opponent to the ground and do ground and pound (i assume both don't have good ground game submission) will win
    muay thai got clinch. a lot of ppl underestimate the effectiveness of the clinch. and all those knees and elbows. the way i see it... muay thai have close range, normal range.

    kungfu is more on normal to long range (due to their flashiness of their jumps and stuff).

    the clinch will get the fighters into close range, which will reduce all the max power of all punch n kicks. but in this range, elbows and knees have max power.

    the ground and pound is not the only way to win in MMA.

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    Not sure if you guys see Shaolin perform before a not?
    I am stuck in an expensive hobby, but yet not willing to save myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyfrog View Post
    muay thai got clinch. a lot of ppl underestimate the effectiveness of the clinch. and all those knees and elbows. the way i see it... muay thai have close range, normal range.

    kungfu is more on normal to long range (due to their flashiness of their jumps and stuff).

    the clinch will get the fighters into close range, which will reduce all the max power of all punch n kicks. but in this range, elbows and knees have max power.

    the ground and pound is not the only way to win in MMA.
    correct. but not many fighter can effectively utilize the clinch effectively to win fights (once you've done it, it's devastating) ..ground & pound, submission or dirty boxing still the way
    anyway in a stand up fights, i believe muay thay will wins

    we can practice any kind of martial arts, but when it comes to a real fight..it goes down to knuckle sandwiches and (perhaps momentarily) forget the "arts" itself..

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    heard from a friend who was into martial arts that muay thai fighters beat some Chinese kungfu guys.

    shaolin cannot take part

    muay thai is a "hard kungfu" style
    to stop the muay thai guy one may have to deal a killing strike in the process

    shaolin monks cannot kill just to prove a point "that my knugfu is better than yours"

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaoken View Post
    From my understanding...

    Muay Thai (Thai Boxing) is more of aggressive attacking..
    Wushu is more of a self-defece + counter attack..

    Both of them are different kind of martial arts so it's hard to compare.
    i used to think that muay thai is better to chinese wu shu , san da.

    but apparently, this is not so.

    chinese wu shu, san da has evolved to effective counterattacks when faced with brutal direct muay thai style.

    that said...

    why would a post modern human get into a physical fight nowadays?

    which is stronger,

    in peaceful times, the right of the law is stronger

    in chaotic times, the bullet is mightier.

    in bed times? haha, up to individual preferences, some like opposite sex, some same sex, some from behind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by adorable View Post
    Let's say, in the real world, the best of Muay and best of Wushu fight in a death match, who will win?

    Technically, it is different and hard to compare, but in real world situation, who will survive?
    saw one TV program, the tyoe similar to myth buster, which uses science to analyse the different forms of martial arts. basically they use a modified crash test dummy to multiple sensors to measure force of impact, compression of rib cage, concussion, etc etc etc, when the dummy was punched, kicked , etc. think martial art was the less lethal one. But then, again, the martial art was demonstrated by a relatively small build asian while the other like karate was demonstrated by a big caucasian. anyway, unless the same person knows all forms of martial arts and do this test, otherwise it is not a good measurement.

    same I think for Muay Thai vs Wushu. The 'art' is how well one can predict/counter the opponent's action. It is brain and brawn. unless the one fights him/herself, otherwise you are not observing purely the effectiveness of the martial arts. Maybe computer model (also like the one which builds robots to fight robot )

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    heard from a friend who was into martial arts that muay thai fighters beat some Chinese kungfu guys.

    shaolin cannot take part

    muay thai is a "hard kungfu" style
    to stop the muay thai guy one may have to deal a killing strike in the process

    shaolin monks cannot kill just to prove a point "that my knugfu is better than yours"
    Long time ago, when Jet Li emerged from the martial arts world, he KO a muay thai boxer in seconds.

    Ya shaolin monks wouldn't wanna kill just to prove the shaolin kungfu is stronger.

    there was also a story about yip man's earlier disciplines in HK. one of them just started learning wing chun at that time (very beginner level) and someone challenged him for a friendly fight (just to try try). this beginner was only able to counter the assaults and cannot fight back, but was enough to stop the fight (think the opponent practise 'mantis' style). am not saying wing chung is better than mantis, just that it depends on the person who uses it .

    Quote Originally Posted by Rez_pt View Post
    we can practice any kind of martial arts, but when it comes to a real fight..it goes down to knuckle sandwiches and (perhaps momentarily) forget the "arts" itself..
    In actual fights, it's stamina and also who can tahan more blows and still stand up will win. most practise sparring but without exchange very hard punches/kicks I suppose.
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    If looks can kill, Steven Seagal's shiny jet black backcombed hair is enough to KO his opponents. I think neither Muay Thai or Wushu has established such a technique.
    Last edited by hazmee; 7th December 2009 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorMcLeod View Post
    Long time ago, when Jet Li emerged from the martial arts world, he KO a muay thai boxer in seconds.
    this is interesting, nv heard about this before. any source to see?

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    why fight????

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotoudavid View Post
    why fight????
    I do receive a lot of open mix tournament invitation with all martial art player, it is good as you able to learn some skills from other martial art. But sometime fighter get too serious and fatal might involve, if no choice for me I need to counter-attack just to defend myself as well.

    But I just don't understand why Muay Thai want to challenge just to prove they are better.

    I do see the point of fight, but to exchange some skills is a better idea!
    I am stuck in an expensive hobby, but yet not willing to save myself

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    May be it is not the matter of MT fighters wanting to proof they r better fighter than WS, but they felt the previous match they lost earlier this year was not fair match due to the rules? So may be can consider this as a re-match with fair play?
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