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    hi guys, any good tutorial to learn more about dodging and burning for cs4?

    did a search in the forums but could find much.

    i would like to learn for both for colour and b/w.

    thanks!

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    search youtube got pretty good ones there

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    dodging and burning directly is destructive because what you're doing is unnaturally pushing pixels. try masking/adjustment layers. They are far less destructive.

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    create a new layer
    fill with 50% grey

    use a brush set to 20% flow
    opacity from 0-20% (to your needs)

    set your foreground color to black and white
    use white to dodge / black to burn
    press x to toggle btw black and white

    vary the new layer opacity to your liking
    apply gaussian blur to the layer if u want to soften somemore

    tablet is highly recommended

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    Quote Originally Posted by soeypixels View Post
    create a new layer
    fill with 50% grey

    use a brush set to 20% flow
    opacity from 0-20% (to your needs)

    set your foreground color to black and white
    use white to dodge / black to burn
    press x to toggle btw black and white

    vary the new layer opacity to your liking
    apply gaussian blur to the layer if u want to soften somemore

    tablet is highly recommended
    I think you missed a step. An important one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peano View Post
    I think you missed a step. An important one.
    So why don't you add it in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziploc View Post
    So why don't you add it in?
    Because I'm not in favor of blindly following recipes. This is a visual medium, not a verbal medium. Follow his steps and try to see what he omitted.
    If you can't see it, you might as well be a robot or a chimpanzee following instructions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peano View Post
    Because I'm not in favor of blindly following recipes. This is a visual medium, not a verbal medium. Follow his steps and try to see what he omitted.
    If you can't see it, you might as well be a robot or a chimpanzee following instructions.
    It's ok if you decided not to help. There is no need to resort to name calling like "robot or chimpanzee".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziploc View Post
    It's ok if you decided not to help. There is no need to resort to name calling like "robot or chimpanzee".
    I didn't mean that as name-calling. I didn't call anyone a robot or a chimpanzee. My point is that if you can't SEE the problem, you might as well not have eyes. It's a visual medium. You can't do retouching by blindly following verbal recipes.

    And I didn't "decide not to help." I am offering what I think is helpful: namely, the advice to try using your eyes instead of following a set of instructions. If you don't find that helpful, so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peano View Post
    Because I'm not in favor of blindly following recipes. This is a visual medium, not a verbal medium. Follow his steps and try to see what he omitted.
    If you can't see it, you might as well be a robot or a chimpanzee following instructions.
    imagine someone never fried an egg b4

    and someone wrote steps about frying an egg.
    he missed out step putting salt and pepper.

    who would have know the results is different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildsoyabean View Post
    imagine someone never fried an egg b4

    and someone wrote steps about frying an egg.
    he missed out step putting salt and pepper.

    who would have know the results is different?
    The post that you folks find so disturbing was directed to soeypixels. I said I think that HE missed an important step. Which, in fact, he did.

    His error wasn't on the order of forgetting salt and pepper. Have you actually tried following his instructions? If not, try that first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peano View Post
    And I didn't "decide not to help." I am offering what I think is helpful: namely, the advice to try using your eyes instead of following a set of instructions. If you don't find that helpful, so be it.
    I'm sure you are very helpful according to your context. The thread starter will be able to dodge and burn by merely using his eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziploc View Post
    I'm sure you are very helpful according to your context. The thread starter will be able to dodge and burn by merely using his eyes.
    And you think he'll be able to dodge and burn by merely reading a recipe?

    (Notice that not a single image has yet appeared.)

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    seeing points from both sides, I think I need to clear the misunderstanding.

    I believe what Peano merely means is that there is no 1-way of doing such things. By eyes, he means being able to see what's wrong. It is something that is not quantifiable, but a skill that has to be developed over time.

    soeypixels' method isn't the only way. It works and doesn't work depending on what you're dealing with.

    This question is as complex as asking which camera lens should I buy. Or what camera settings should I use. It's not a question that can be answered in a single sentence. Even whatever solution that Peano offers, there will definitely be situations where it is not applicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peano View Post
    I think you missed a step. An important one.
    For the benefit of those who visit this forum to learn, I would've just typed "you missed out the step of setting the layer mode to Soft Light as well" instead of having everyone 2nd guess what your statement meant.

    But then that's just me
    Last edited by knoxknocks; 28th November 2009 at 01:48 PM.

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    i'm a robot-chimpanzee.


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    I personally find this tutorial useful. Check it out. Fairly straightforward.

    http://www.thelightsrightstudio.com/...derControl.mov

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    create a new layer
    fill with 50% grey

    <--------Set the blend mode to ovelay

    use a brush set to 20% flow
    opacity from 0-20% (to your needs)

    set your foreground color to black and white
    use white to dodge / black to burn
    press x to toggle btw black and white


    You can download ps action paint with light from

    http://www.atncentral.com/image_enhance.htm

    All the best


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    thanks guys for all the help here. really appreciate the help here.

    just got my cs4 recently and still trying out how to do it. cs4 operation can really be confusing for me as it is my first time trying to do post process work on cs4. much used to the user friendly workflow of lightroom.

    still trying out on how to dodge and burn(not easy i must admit! got stuck a lot of time)

    the reason i ask about dodge and burning is that in film processing dodging and burning is considered as the most basic and essential tool(been reading old library books) so i wanted to based my post process on dodging and burning.

    once again please do not hesitate post any more useful tutorial/videos with regards to dodging and burning.

    many thanks!

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    Hellfire: Try using the adjustment brushes in Adobe Camera Raw instead, it's easier and gets you there nonetheless non-destructively.

    Also, there's a lot of free videos from Russell Brown's site. Check them out http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech.html <<

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