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    Quote Originally Posted by artspraken View Post
    And I do not condemn people who tie cat to a pole because I am myself equally cruel. coz yesterday i just eat KFC 3 piece meal (original recipe and promo: black pepper chicken recipe). now i see this cat tie to pole, it remind me yesterday i eat dead chicken, it make me feel very guilty
    oh, so you think that in chicken farms they tie chickens to poles and watch them dance for whatever reason until they are dead?

    animal killing for the sake of food, etc, is generally highly efficient, and usually done so humanely. of course, you can say that eventually the cow dies, the chicken dies, we have taken a life. but hey, hanging a person is immensely different from torturing him to death.

    this is nothing to do with cuteness, i think you absolutely miss the point here. there is no advocation of "keep cute animals alive, but eat the cow".. it is how it is done.
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    Activist groups usually packaged it as cruelty as its is easier to reach the masses with this message rather than the abstract message of sustainability.
    yes, if you portray a shark as a floundering creature without a fin, that is going to incite more of what people term as "human compassion", instead of telling them "eh, the sharks are gonna die", in which case, they'd tell you "who cares?"

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    I think the cat might have, like, scratched the killer's L lens while he was trying to take a macro shot of it......hahaha.......hell hath no fury like a man with a scratched lens

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    Quote Originally Posted by LenzLaw View Post
    I think the cat might have, like, scratched the killer's L lens while he was trying to take a macro shot of it......hahaha.......hell hath no fury like a man with a scratched lens
    LOL.! L Lens for a cat life? Unacceptable. Btw Nice JOKE!
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    oh, so you think that in chicken farms they tie chickens to poles and watch them dance for whatever reason until they are dead?

    animal killing for the sake of food, etc, is generally highly efficient, and usually done so humanely. of course, you can say that eventually the cow dies, the chicken dies, we have taken a life. but hey, hanging a person is immensely different from torturing him to death.

    this is nothing to do with cuteness, i think you absolutely miss the point here. there is no advocation of "keep cute animals alive, but eat the cow".. it is how it is done.
    It is quite obvious we differ on the ethics of killing (ie. how it is done). In my philsophy, all forms of killing is cruel. That impinges on philsophical, ethical and religious grounds and I will not go into that discussion.

    In any event, I would caution you to consider the circumstances by which chickens and cows are killed for food. If you have seen documentaries like Food Inc, you will understand that the way mass market food production nowadays is very cruel and tantamount to "torture" - a cursory glance at the circumstances of how the animals are killed will show that.

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    First off, I think that the discussion is veering a little off the main issue.

    I believe that this killing (even if it's not torture) is plain wrong. To compare it to killing for food is flawed as well. Killing for food and making use of every single part of the animal you killed (eat/ boil soup/ feed to animals/ make clothes) is but giving your respect to the life you just took - we depend on them for survival (what about vegetarians? Humans were born to be omnivorous.). As far as I can see and as sick as it may sound, the cat was not killed for any particular reason other than a plain disrespect and blatant disregard for life (and all the associated values, etc.). This makes it wrong on all grounds unless you are Nazi and cats are Jews. And 2 wrongs don't make a right.

    night86mare mentions that it depends on how the killing is done, but I don't agree completely. And artspraken is right in saying that many of the intensively farmed animals (like chickens) are reared in very poor conditions. Whatever the conditions or the situation, they are born out of humanity's knack for survival. Sometimes, that means being cruel to the things we eat, but it is necessary. Imagine if the world only had free-range animals @ $15 a pop - those who live on <$5 a day would die. In my book, your cruelty is justified if it is the best possible option - the least/lesser evil.

    The cat killing, then, clearly is not. I'm sure you can argue all day about cruelty, morality, ethics, etc. but I think we in the 'civilised' world just want to dissociate ourselves from our 'cruel' nature. But we must accept that Darwin is right and survival of the fittest means being cruel and ruthless when you have to. Thus, the cat killing borders on the sociopathic/psychopathic and 'cruel' does not suffice as an adjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artspraken View Post
    It is quite obvious we differ on the ethics of killing (ie. how it is done). In my philsophy, all forms of killing is cruel. That impinges on philsophical, ethical and religious grounds and I will not go into that discussion.
    you will not? if you wish to be absolutist, then you should be warned that that path goes down into a dark murky road.

    all killing is cruel. never mind about the chickens, or the cows, or the goats. let's talk about when you get say, food poisoning due to e coli bacteria. i think it's fair enough to say that bacteria can be considered life forms. so out of the kindness of your heart, you would suggest that no action be taken to compromise the life of these bacteria, which are MANY lives, more than yours. you might even aid their life by suppressing your own immune system..

    sweeping statements are such a joy to pick apart. it is pretty simple to see that your philosophy is at best, half-baked and half-considered. if you laugh at people who only defend cute animals, consider your own hypocriscy.
    In any event, I would caution you to consider the circumstances by which chickens and cows are killed for food. If you have seen documentaries like Food Inc, you will understand that the way mass market food production nowadays is very cruel and tantamount to "torture" - a cursory glance at the circumstances of how the animals are killed will show that.
    in the same breath, i would caution you to consider the circumstances by which these are made.

    i have read fast food nation, i have seen similar documentaries. the stand is clear - in the courts of law, intention is everything. it depicts the difference between the charge of murder and manslaughter. so to me, the half-killed cows being wheeled around in slaughterhouses are not the same as a calculated, cold-blooded move of torturing a cat to death.

    firstly, consider that these are done in some warped new world mentality of having to do something groundbreaking, something new. next, consider that you should take everything you see with a pinch of salt. it has been pointed out many-a-time that a lot of these documentaries tend to be produced by disgruntled employees.. something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visage356 View Post

    night86mare mentions that it depends on how the killing is done, but I don't agree completely. And artspraken is right in saying that many of the intensively farmed animals (like chickens) are reared in very poor conditions. Whatever the conditions or the situation, they are born out of humanity's knack for survival. Sometimes, that means being cruel to the things we eat, but it is necessary. Imagine if the world only had free-range animals @ $15 a pop - those who live on <$5 a day would die. In my book, your cruelty is justified if it is the best possible option - the least/lesser evil.
    well, i'm not sure how you could ever justify torturing anything to death.

    if you must kill it for food, so be it. now, doing things like skinning it when it is alive, poking its eyes out, while slowly killing it.. i don't think anyone sane could agree with that.

    but i do agree with what you see. the ends must justify the means - and i can see why mass production of meat to keep costs down might justify poor breeding/rearing conditions.. but i cannot see how the killing of the cat in that manner benefits anyone.

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    The crux of the issue here is not about how the animal was killed but rather the sadistic nature of the killing to fulfilled someone's dark and psychotic fantasy.

    Modus operandi of typical serial murderers had shown that a vast majority of them started off by killing harmless animal when they were young before proceeding to murdering innocent human beings in order to satisfied their hunger for "power".

    Every single time I read of an article regarding animal abuse, I dread to think of these potential serial murderers living amongst our midst where one day they could jolly well take the live of one of our loved ones for no apparent reason.
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    Not gonna say too much. These people will be punished either by law or if not heaven will take care of them. Hate people who abuse other living things emotionally or physically.

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    to night86mare: Yup I agree with you on that - whoever killed the cat is just a sociopath and it was wrong. No contention there - read my first paragraph

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    dear night86mare,

    1. I will not enter a discussion on ethics. I am not absolutist as you claim. I am merely a Buddhist. I believe all killing is cruel, though unavoidable, hence the need for compassion. I hope this is simple enough for you. I won't discuss this further simply because this is not the place to speak of such matters. Call it dark or murkey. whatever.

    2. I also hope my explanation that I am Buddhist satisfies you re: your point about bacterial life forms being killed. I will disregard your allusion to hypocrisy on my part.

    3. I admit "intention" is a word that enables distinctions between certain legal constructs (murder/manslaughter), but I cannot see the relevance to "half-killed cows being wheeled around in slaughterhouses ... and ... a calculated, cold-blooded move of torturing a cat to death." Are you saying intention is absent in the former? Actually, contrary to what you suggest, I think a half-killed cow being wheeled around in slaughterhouse is probably as bad if not worse. Aren't slaughterhouses calculated and cold blooded as well?

    btw. In courts of law, intention is not everything. You can trust me to be authoritative on this one.

    4. finally, I agree some documentaries need a pinch of salt in a postmodern world where everything varies with perspective. However, they key point I am seeking to bring across is the cruelty in the slaughterhouses which, by your allusion to "half-killed cows being wheeled around in slaughterhouses...", I am suitably satisfied that you are already aware. Hence, I will not belabor this example any further.


    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    you will not? if you wish to be absolutist, then you should be warned that that path goes down into a dark murky road.

    all killing is cruel. never mind about the chickens, or the cows, or the goats. let's talk about when you get say, food poisoning due to e coli bacteria. i think it's fair enough to say that bacteria can be considered life forms. so out of the kindness of your heart, you would suggest that no action be taken to compromise the life of these bacteria, which are MANY lives, more than yours. you might even aid their life by suppressing your own immune system..

    sweeping statements are such a joy to pick apart. it is pretty simple to see that your philosophy is at best, half-baked and half-considered. if you laugh at people who only defend cute animals, consider your own hypocriscy.


    in the same breath, i would caution you to consider the circumstances by which these are made.

    i have read fast food nation, i have seen similar documentaries. the stand is clear - in the courts of law, intention is everything. it depicts the difference between the charge of murder and manslaughter. so to me, the half-killed cows being wheeled around in slaughterhouses are not the same as a calculated, cold-blooded move of torturing a cat to death.

    firstly, consider that these are done in some warped new world mentality of having to do something groundbreaking, something new. next, consider that you should take everything you see with a pinch of salt. it has been pointed out many-a-time that a lot of these documentaries tend to be produced by disgruntled employees.. something to think about.
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    really SOB

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    Quote Originally Posted by visage356 View Post
    Killing for food ... is but giving your respect to the life you just took - we depend on them for survival ...

    ... Darwin is right and survival of the fittest means being cruel and ruthless when you have to. Thus, the cat killing borders on the sociopathic/psychopathic and 'cruel' does not suffice as an adjective.
    The Buddhist in me cannot accept that act of killing is a gesture of respect. heaven forbid.

    You sir are 100% Darwinian utilitarian champ. Darwin is not easy to reconcile with Buddha, hmmm.... not much mileage in a discussion here either

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    dear night86mare,

    1. I will not enter a discussion on ethics. I am not absolutist as you claim. I am merely a Buddhist. I believe all killing is cruel, though unavoidable, hence the need for compassion. I hope this is simple enough for you. I won't discuss this further simply because this is not the place to speak of such matters. Call it dark or murkey. whatever.

    2. I also hope my explanation that I am Buddhist satisfies you re: your point about bacterial life forms being killed. I will disregard your allusion to hypocrisy on my part.

    3. I admit "intention" is a word that enables distinctions between certain legal constructs (murder/manslaughter), but I cannot see the relevance to "half-killed cows being wheeled around in slaughterhouses ... and ... a calculated, cold-blooded move of torturing a cat to death." Are you saying intention is absent in the former? Actually, contrary to what you suggest, I think a half-killed cow being wheeled around in slaughterhouse is probably as bad if not worse. Aren't slaughterhouses calculated and cold blooded as well?

    btw. In courts of law, intention is not everything. You can trust me to be authoritative on this one.

    4. finally, I agree some documentaries need a pinch of salt in a postmodern world where everything varies with perspective. However, they key point I am seeking to bring across is the cruelty in the slaughterhouses which, by your allusion to "half-killed cows being wheeled around in slaughterhouses...", I am suitably satisfied that you are already aware. Hence, I will not belabor this example any further.
    well, clubsnap forum states that religious matters are off limits.

    that said, i do think that religious discussion, done maturely, can be carried out properly and without any excessive offensive material being sloshed online.. if you think about it, religion is for the most part, usually a choice. we as men cannot choose our race, our gender.. but we can choose a religion - why can't choices be discussed?

    anyhow, i'll leave it at that.

    just for clarification, the half-killed cow wasn't left half-killed on purpose. i don't think slaughterhouse workers had the intention of leaving it half-killed, whereas you can't say that the cat killer had done the wire thing absolutely accidentally. that should clear up #3 for you.

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    Every time I forget to close my window before I sleep, I will find a stray cat ransacking my house the first thing when I wake up. I have to endure poor ventilation at night because of them. I hate them, but I will not kill them though.
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    Why they did this kind of inhuman act to these innocent animals… Why……
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    Quote Originally Posted by artspraken View Post
    aiyah chey...liddat where got cruel

    U all got visit abbatoir/ slaughterhouse/ farm where animals are slaughtered ? you all got see the sharks chopped to bits for shark fin? you all got see how chicken are killed and the blood and guts all fall out and stinko? u all got see animals being skinned for their mink fur so that pretty model can look glam? you all see the branded leather goods got think about the animal that died so that leather can be used to make the products?

    i feel that its really insincere to advocate animal rights, if you are an avid consumer of animal products. if you truly have compassion for animals, you should become vegetarian and go live in the jungle.

    the only thing about cat and dog is they are cute. but animal cuteness is not the same as animal rights.

    I dun deny the person who tie the cat to the pipe is sick, I am not defending him. However, I want to tell you that we are all sick in todays consumer-centric capitalist world. If you think a cat tied to a pipe is cruel, oh man, that means you haven't seen the world because there is alot more cruelty out there. much worse than just a cat tied to pipe.

    all dis RSPCA no use wan. they only fight to defend cute cute animal like cat and dogs. animal rights is not just about pets. pets is pets. animals are all living things.

    Next time you see delicious Kentucky Fried Chicken being sold, why dun you say "which sick bastar d did this?" Chicken not animal meh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by artspraken View Post
    2. I also hope my explanation that I am Buddhist satisfies you re: your point about bacterial life forms being killed. I will disregard your allusion to hypocrisy on my part.
    What you had type don't really indicated that you are a buddhist as your ego had took over you.

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