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    Default Batteries used up when stored in dry cabinet?

    Anyone have ever experienced this before?
    I keep most of batteries either the normal alkaline or even the rechargeable ones inside my dry cabinet, used and some are still new inside the packaging.

    What I experienced was I wanted to change my batt for the digital humidity display with a new batt but after changing it, the display went blank after few hours.
    I tried changing another batt but the dsiplay still went blank.
    Then I used a batt which was not inside my dry cabinet and it works..

    So is it safe to really keep yr batts in yr dry cabinet?

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    Wouldn't it be stated in big bold letters in all manuals and also on the package of batteries if the humidity affects the charge in any way?
    Compare the packages, maybe one is already quite old and forgotten in dry cabinet? Are they branded batteries or some China copies? (The only funny thing about the China versions are the names and half-hearted copy of Panasonic and Energizer design.)
    The danger about putting batteries in dry cabinets is the danger of forgetting them. Alkalines will discharge slowly and start leaking, rechargeable ones will discharge and die (Li-Ion). Let's not forget, also battery packs got 'lemons' due to manufacturing issues, storage and transport conditions etc.
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    Default Re: Batteries used up when stored in dry cabinet?

    AFAIK, the only thing affect the battery performance are temperature, dry cabinet are not fridge, it shouldn't have any affect the batteries.

    FIY, you should store alkaline separately, cos they will leak when aging. and most rechargeable batteries will lose their charge even you don't use them. charge them periodically and before you use them.

    finally, for using battery on low power devices, like clock or display, best use normal battery, not alkaline or rechargeable batteries. the devices will last longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Wouldn't it be stated in big bold letters in all manuals and also on the package of batteries if the humidity affects the charge in any way?
    Compare the packages, maybe one is already quite old and forgotten in dry cabinet? Are they branded batteries or some China copies? (The only funny thing about the China versions are the names and half-hearted copy of Panasonic and Energizer design.)
    The danger about putting batteries in dry cabinets is the danger of forgetting them. Alkalines will discharge slowly and start leaking, rechargeable ones will discharge and die (Li-Ion). Let's not forget, also battery packs got 'lemons' due to manufacturing issues, storage and transport conditions etc.
    - there is nothing stated on the packaging about any affect on anything..
    - i used the original energizer, gp ultra and even normal eveready
    - im sorry but wat do mean by lemons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xintothezonex View Post
    - there is nothing stated on the packaging about any affect on anything..
    - i used the original energizer, gp ultra and even normal eveready
    - im sorry but wat do mean by lemons?
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    The immediate answer is NO, alkaline, non rechargeable lithium and carbon batteries will not spoil in dry cabinet. In fact at zero humidity, that same batch of used button cells and battery did not leak as compared to those stored in drawers and in equipment for 2 years (these batteries were never exposed to humid area).
    I do not have any explanation to your encounter except that you were either using a rechargeable battery (that is having self discharging issue) or you dry box hygrometer cannot take alkaline.

    Of course all issues have logical reasons. Lets revisit the situation and ask yourself. Here we are talking about the non re-chargeables only.

    - How many batteries were there in the cabinets?
    - Why are you so sure that the batteries (non chargeables) are not expanded?
    - In your encounter, did you mistaken a rechargeable battery for carbon battery.
    - Did you every mix these new battery with flat batteries in any equipment.
    - How long was the batteries kept there.
    - Did you ever drop the battery from high places.
    - Did you buy the batteries from a $2 shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xintothezonex View Post
    Anyone have ever experienced this before?
    I keep most of batteries either the normal alkaline or even the rechargeable ones inside my dry cabinet, used and some are still new inside the packaging.

    What I experienced was I wanted to change my batt for the digital humidity display with a new batt but after changing it, the display went blank after few hours.
    I tried changing another batt but the dsiplay still went blank.
    Then I used a batt which was not inside my dry cabinet and it works..

    So is it safe to really keep yr batts in yr dry cabinet?
    Humidity in dry cabinet shouldn't affect your normal batteries like the AA alkaline stuff. I am saying so because...
    1. The AAA batteries for our lcd in the dry cabinet last a super long time.
    2. When you live in dry places, possibly even lower RH than your dry cabinet, alkaline batteries still work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spheredome View Post
    The immediate answer is NO, alkaline, non rechargeable lithium and carbon batteries will not spoil in dry cabinet. In fact at zero humidity, that same batch of used button cells and battery did not leak as compared to those stored in drawers and in equipment for 2 years (these batteries were never exposed to humid area).
    I do not have any explanation to your encounter except that you were either using a rechargeable battery (that is having self discharging issue) or you dry box hygrometer cannot take alkaline.

    Of course all issues have logical reasons. Lets revisit the situation and ask yourself. Here we are talking about the non re-chargeables only.

    - How many batteries were there in the cabinets?
    - Why are you so sure that the batteries (non chargeables) are not expanded?
    - In your encounter, did you mistaken a rechargeable battery for carbon battery.
    - Did you every mix these new battery with flat batteries in any equipment.
    - How long was the batteries kept there.
    - Did you ever drop the battery from high places.
    - Did you buy the batteries from a $2 shop.
    here are my replies..
    - there were 8 eneloop batts (AA) pack in casing of 4s, 2 (AAA) eveready and 2 (AAA) energizer batts, 8 (AA) lithium energizer unused but already unpack, and 2 GP ultra (AA) unused and still in packaging

    - bought the (AAA) batts just for the display. used once while the rest are still not used.

    - never..

    - no.. only use rechargeable eneloops batts for my flash.

    - been 2+ months for the normal batts

    - nope

    - never..

    anyway thank you for your reply and yr info.

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    Default Re: Batteries used up when stored in dry cabinet?

    I never encourage leaving such a thing unsolved as they may turn into myths. Like "grease drying in low humidity" for instance.

    Retracing your steps and reply, you did not further verify if the batteries are ok or you might not have sit the battery properly on the LCD. Did you initially use alkaline AAA on the first attempt before using carbon battery later.

    Try the batteries on a torchlight.

    I have 1 experience (only once) where I threw many AA/AAA rechargeables into a tall container. Somehow a few batteries managed to form a contacted (2x AAA, 1AA top, 1AA bottom) and shorted the 2xAAA. I noticed it only when the container chuckles bec shorted battery heat up. Obviously, by the time I discover, the 2 AAA were flat after being shorted.

    Quote Originally Posted by xintothezonex View Post
    here are my replies..
    - there were 8 eneloop batts (AA) pack in casing of 4s, 2 (AAA) eveready and 2 (AAA) energizer batts, 8 (AA) lithium energizer unused but already unpack, and 2 GP ultra (AA) unused and still in packaging

    - bought the (AAA) batts just for the display. used once while the rest are still not used.

    - never..

    - no.. only use rechargeable eneloops batts for my flash.

    - been 2+ months for the normal batts

    - nope

    - never..

    anyway thank you for your reply and yr info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spheredome View Post
    Retracing your steps and reply, you did not further verify if the batteries are ok or you might not have sit the battery properly on the LCD. Did you initially use alkaline AAA on the first attempt before using carbon battery later.

    Try the batteries on a torchlight.
    if batteries which have not been open but its hve been in the dry cabinet for around 3 months should it be ok?
    When i use it for the lcd display it will only last for one day or even for a few hours all 4 of it.

    tried everything.. display will work but then it will fade away and whn i tried to take it out and connect it again, the lcd wont display.

    Bought new batt and it work without giving any problems so that means my lcd is not spoilt.

    So what happen to the batts inside my dry cabinet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xintothezonex View Post
    if batteries which have not been open but its hve been in the dry cabinet for around 3 months should it be ok?
    When i use it for the lcd display it will only last for one day or even for a few hours all 4 of it.
    They should be ok even after several months - provided they have been ok at the moment you put them in and provided there is no manufacturing fault. A lot of things can go wrong during transport and storage before you get them from the shop.
    tried everything.. display will work but then it will fade away and whn i tried to take it out and connect it again, the lcd wont display.
    Bought new batt and it work without giving any problems so that means my lcd is not spoilt.
    Clear case of batteries discharged already. If the package wasn't open before it looks like a set of 'lemons'.
    So what happen to the batts inside my dry cabinet?
    Most likely nothing. I suspect they were bad already when you put them in.
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    Well, you can surely do me a curious favour by buying another set of same Energizer alkaline from $2 shop (or best that store that u purchased) and another set from NTUC put them into cabinet for 3 months. Then test on torchlight.

    Who knows suddenly there is some sort of hidden magnetic resonance causing discharge. Nothing is weird for me.

    Bad battery is one immediate logical answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by xintothezonex View Post
    if batteries which have not been open but its hve been in the dry cabinet for around 3 months should it be ok?
    When i use it for the lcd display it will only last for one day or even for a few hours all 4 of it.

    tried everything.. display will work but then it will fade away and whn i tried to take it out and connect it again, the lcd wont display.

    Bought new batt and it work without giving any problems so that means my lcd is not spoilt.

    So what happen to the batts inside my dry cabinet?

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    I always have some eneloops in my dry cab.. sometimes left for months but works like fully charged everytime
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    Default Re: Batteries used up when stored in dry cabinet?

    Quote Originally Posted by spheredome View Post
    Well, you can surely do me a curious favour by buying another set of same Energizer alkaline from $2 shop (or best that store that u purchased) and another set from NTUC put them into cabinet for 3 months. Then test on torchlight.
    Had the same with some fancy named batteries, Duracell AAA lookalikes, used for wireless mouse. The whole package (20 batteries) was gone within 4 months, every 2 weeks one pair drained, the last ones lasting only a week finally. The real Duracell last more than 3 months, 2 pieces. No point trying to save money with that cheap crap. Also not good from environmental point. Some $2 shops push the cart with batteries to outside, into the sun. No further questions ...
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    Default Re: Batteries used up when stored in dry cabinet?

    I keep my batteries where air is ventilating so no such problems.

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