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    i realize most always do PP..... y is tat so??? and wa kind of PP usually needed???

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    Good topic. Perhaps you should start by including what is you thoughts on post processing. You have seen many thus should have already some perspective that PP may not be required (based on your thread title).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nannan82 View Post
    i realize most always do PP..... y is tat so??? and wa kind of PP usually needed???
    why not?

    it depends.

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    To bring out the best and remove the worst ...

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    i still a newbie btw.... tis question come to mind cas.... last time during film era... no PP was done.. and good photo still appeared..... so it was like... now pple using PP to beautify/corrected the photo they took... it like.. erm cheating??? jus my tot... is digital sensor cant produce anything near film standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nannan82 View Post
    i still a newbie btw.... tis question come to mind cas.... last time during film era... no PP was done.. and good photo still appeared..... so it was like... now pple using PP to beautify/corrected the photo they took... it like.. erm cheating??? jus my tot... is digital sensor cant produce anything near film standard?
    you need to read more about the darkroom..

    film no pp? hahahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nannan82 View Post
    i still a newbie btw.... tis question come to mind cas.... last time during film era... no PP was done.. and good photo still appeared..... so it was like... now pple using PP to beautify/corrected the photo they took... it like.. erm cheating??? jus my tot... is digital sensor cant produce anything near film standard?
    r u sure there is no PP for film ?

    many of digital darkroom techniques are conceptually adapted from the traditional darkroom ... like dodge and burn for instance

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    i'm a newbie... dont bash me... ":P kindly enlighten me... hope to learn more abt PP seriously....

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    During exposure, values in the image can be adjusted, most often by "dodging" (reducing the amount of light to a specific area of an image by selectively blocking light to it for part or all of the exposure time) and/or "burning" (giving additional exposure to specific area of an image by exposing only it while blocking light to the rest). Filters, usually thin pieces of colored plastic, can be used to increase or decrease an image's contrast (the difference between dark tones and light tones). After exposure, the photographic printing paper (which still appears blank) is ready to be processed. [4]
    wikipedia..

    see:

    http://digital-photography.suite101....eal_photograph

    For high quality prints it is common to hand retouch the print to make the spot blend in, like the digital clone tool.
    The technique of arranging negatives in layers in the enlarger to print a combined image is another simple darkroom trick. One common use is to combine a stock shot of the moon with another shot to give an instant moonlight scene. The negatives are stacked in layers, hence the name of the technique and this carries over to the digital technique of combining images.
    blah blah blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nannan82 View Post
    i still a newbie btw.... tis question come to mind cas.... last time during film era... no PP was done.. and good photo still appeared..... so it was like... now pple using PP to beautify/corrected the photo they took... it like.. erm cheating??? jus my tot... is digital sensor cant produce anything near film standard?
    Many of the techniques used in the digital workflow have their origins in film. Dodging and burning being two of the more obvious. PP is a necessity for many but may range from simple crop/sharpen to full-on DI work.
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    so simply put... no good photographer will shown their pic 'raw'????

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    Quote Originally Posted by nannan82 View Post
    i still a newbie btw.... tis question come to mind cas.... last time during film era... no PP was done.. and good photo still appeared..... so it was like... now pple using PP to beautify/corrected the photo they took... it like.. erm cheating??? jus my tot... is digital sensor cant produce anything near film standard?
    As to cheating...you're telling me something uglier is better because it's more authentic?

    I see it rather...as making 'good' become 'perfect'

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    Quote Originally Posted by nannan82 View Post
    so simply put... no good photographer will shown their pic 'raw'????
    Depends, lol.

    If it doesn't need fixing, there's no need for pp-ing

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    This topic has been discussed several years already ...
    But there is always 2 schools. See which one you like to join.

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    damn... really must learn abit of PP liao...... hoho......

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    just the act of choosing film is already "PP", different films give a different tonality and feel..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rendell View Post
    This topic has been discussed several years already ...
    But there is always 2 schools. See which one you like to join.
    i always tot PP is akin to 'cheating'.... :P but i think slight PP-ing is need most of the time ba...... tis is really not a cheap hobby...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nannan82 View Post
    damn... really must learn abit of PP liao...... hoho......
    PP not hard lah ... search online.

    Most important you need to have a process map:

    Eg.
    1. Composition (Cropping)
    2. Colour (Hue/Saturation/Curve/etc)
    3. Contrast and brightness

    Every one have different pp work flow.

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    For me post processing is required and ok because it is intended to make picture more beautiful. I believe everyone takes picture to present for others to see. Film makers want to make movies that audience want to see. So it is a matter of what mindset was the intention.

    For instance it would be cheating, if I would say "welcome to Toa Payoh central where you will be greeted with nice, cool and beautiful weather everyday" and present this picture will; because TP central is damn bloody hot.

    http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...k/SDIM0162.jpg

    However when I shoot forest walk locally with my Sigma, I will always PP to bring the contrast and DR closest to what my eyes see. I do wear polarized sunglass too. So using CPL filter is what I see and what I get.

    Of course PP is also to get rid of ugly spot that is not ideally not to be there like cranes and birds sticking out of the old tower. In summary, if the post process changes (mislead) the facts you are suppose to present, then it is considered cheating.

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    Just to comment on this post. y night86mare need to laugh with the TS? i also considered myself as a newbie. is that how you respond when a newbie ask question?

    Please enlighten the newbie, and don't humiliate them, we all start from the scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    you need to read more about the darkroom..

    film no pp? hahahaha.
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