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    Quote Originally Posted by pikapig View Post
    higuys, i am writing here from shanghai...there are so much difference in the ppl and culture here...i believe those who travel here last yr and this yr would see huge difference..i didnt experience any unpleasant event with the locals....n seriously like daredevil said..some singaporeans behaved even more snobbish..spotted afew...

    its v cold here...i have been thru, shanghai, zhou zhuang, suzhou, nanjing, wuxi and hangzhou n now back to shanghai...wuxi is v much like singapore...but v pleasant..maybe becos of the weather...i felt it is abit like australia and new zealand..v serenity...
    peaceful..the onli city u don see alot of jam and cars and ppl...on the streets..a good place to migrate to..haha

    hangzhou was a little pity w the itinery...onli go the xihu for a while..n didnt manage to visit any other spots like those temples etc....

    its winter here...missed the snow in nanjing by abit...sunny day now..no more rain...but still pretty cold when the wind blows....glows etc are not enough..unless u are like me, who can brave the cold and get all numb w my camera on me..
    no need tripod if u r w a tour grp...wont get the chance to use it..esp in such weather...bring more heat pack...esp the feet one..once ur feet is warm..u wont tremble as much..another 1 day n i be back in SG...yup rem to bring extra batts along..it depletes ur batt quite fast...esp when u shoot n shoot...
    Have fun there. Lucky you are not in Northeast china now. it is now -25 deg C there.

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    erm..is the west lake near the Hangzhou train station? so i only have to take a bus down to the west lake rite?im going in 3days time ^^

    and is the louwailou restaurant expensive?becoz it looks so grand =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by kakashixx View Post
    erm..is the west lake near the Hangzhou train station? so i only have to take a bus down to the west lake rite?im going in 3days time ^^

    and is the louwailou restaurant expensive?becoz it looks so grand =/
    There are buses to westlake, but I always take a cab as I do not want to handle luggage in a bus. Hangzhou city area is not big. Taxi cab is very cheap compared to singapore.

    Lou Wai Lou is not cheap and the wait is horrendous. They do have a lot of buildings nowadays to cater to the crowds but I have not been there recently. I prefer food from cheap small local restaurants. Lou Wai Lou is a one time must go thing, after that, no need to go again.
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    And if you do take the taxi like Daredevil recommends, you need to get to the taxi stand in front of the train station.

    Lou Wai Lou - hope you are not going alone as it will not be easy to order.
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    If I am not wrong, last order is 1500 at Lou Wai Lou. I reach there around 1430. Phew!
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity View Post
    If I am not wrong, last order is 1500 at Lou Wai Lou. I reach there around 1430. Phew!
    ohh,its only for lunchtime ah?i have to go earlier den,maybe 1.5hrs earlier lol!thanks anyway haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    There are buses to westlake, but I always take a cab as I do not want to handle luggage in a bus. Hangzhou city area is not big. Taxi cab is very cheap compared to singapore.

    Lou Wai Lou is not cheap and the wait is horrendous. They do have a lot of buildings nowadays to cater to the crowds but I have not been there recently. I prefer food from cheap small local restaurants. Lou Wai Lou is a one time must go thing, after that, no need to go again.
    can u tell me approximately how much a person has to spend at louwailou?ill be going with 2friends,i dont want to end up scaring dem wif the price of e food haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pikapig View Post
    higuys, i am writing here from shanghai...there are so much difference in the ppl and culture here...i believe those who travel here last yr and this yr would see huge difference..i didnt experience any unpleasant event with the locals....n seriously like daredevil said..some singaporeans behaved even more snobbish..spotted afew...

    its v cold here...i have been thru, shanghai, zhou zhuang, suzhou, nanjing, wuxi and hangzhou n now back to shanghai...wuxi is v much like singapore...but v pleasant..maybe becos of the weather...i felt it is abit like australia and new zealand..v serenity...
    peaceful..the onli city u don see alot of jam and cars and ppl...on the streets..a good place to migrate to..haha

    hangzhou was a little pity w the itinery...onli go the xihu for a while..n didnt manage to visit any other spots like those temples etc....

    its winter here...missed the snow in nanjing by abit...sunny day now..no more rain...but still pretty cold when the wind blows....glows etc are not enough..unless u are like me, who can brave the cold and get all numb w my camera on me..
    no need tripod if u r w a tour grp...wont get the chance to use it..esp in such weather...bring more heat pack...esp the feet one..once ur feet is warm..u wont tremble as much..another 1 day n i be back in SG...yup rem to bring extra batts along..it depletes ur batt quite fast...esp when u shoot n shoot...
    Singapore only won by clean water and clean air. Other than this 2 factors, Shanghai is a better place to live.. What i can say is in Shanghai there is more "ren qing wei" than in Singapore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kakashixx View Post
    ohh,its only for lunchtime ah?i have to go earlier den,maybe 1.5hrs earlier lol!thanks anyway haha.
    They open for dinner too. They have a rest period between lunch and dinner. If there are important people in town, they will close dinner to the public. Nowadays they have more buildings, so I guess they will close selected buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velovictor View Post
    Singapore only won by clean water and clean air. Other than this 2 factors, Shanghai is a better place to live.. What i can say is in Shanghai there is more "ren qing wei" than in Singapore.
    no traffic as well...its terrible...after 6pm...ppl snatch for cabs

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    Quote Originally Posted by pikapig View Post
    no traffic as well...its terrible...after 6pm...ppl snatch for cabs
    depends on where you are and what time. It can get nasty. But it is also hard in singapore at peak hours and when it is raining.

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    Wish to ask you guys if it is possible to book train tickets online before going?

    Im going hangzhou and then Shanghai...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisgood View Post
    Wish to ask you guys if it is possible to book train tickets online before going?

    Im going hangzhou and then Shanghai...
    Train tickets cannot be booked online.

    And good luck now, it is near CNY, trains will be packed like hell.

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    oic, then can the train tickets be bought at the Hangzhou Xiaoshan Airport the day before my train journey?

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    oic, then can the train tickets be bought at the Hangzhou Xiaoshan Airport the day before my train journey?
    Train tickets can only be bought at the train station or at very very limited authorized selling points. Don't think it is available at Xiaoshan airport. Take a cab to the train station and buy the ticket asap when you are in hangzhou city. Try to buy a few days in advance. short distance tickets between HZ and SHA is not so bad.

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    Thanks Daredevil!

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    Thanks Daredevil!
    You can also ask if the hotel you are staying in have the service. Some hotels buy train or airplane tickets for their guests. But train tickets are getting less and less.

    If buying at the station, You can buy tickets many days in advance. Be sure to allocate time as the train station ticket booths have very very long lines nowadays, as it is near CNY. This is perhaps one of the worst time to travel in china. Even domestic plane tickets are selling out like hotcakes. I was buying plane tickets online last night and every few minutes I see tickets sell out and/or price going up. Plan and buy early. As far as I know many long distance train tickets are already sold out.

    If going to shanghai from hangzhou, remember to ask for Bullet train. In chinese it is called "Dong Che Zu" (动车组). Ticket should be around 57 RMB each way per pax. I've posted somewhere a while back but cannot find. So I'll repeat the guide for trains in China:

    There are 2 train stations. Shanghai station and Shanghai south station. If going north, Shanghai station (上海火车站)has more trains. If going to Hanghzou, zhejiang or south, Shanghai South station (上海南站)has more trains. When taking a cab to Shanghai South station, the taxi driver will ask you if you are taking train or bus, do not panic, there are 2 sections of the station. Tell the cab driver accordingly and he will drop you off at the right location.

    The following is the guide to train numbering in China:

    DXXX - DongCheZu 动车组 also called D-ZiTou (D字头), Fastest bullet train. Minimal stops and exceeds 200km/h at max speed. Sells out quickly. Aircon.
    TXXX - TeKuaiChe 特快车, minimal stops, quite fast, as fast as 140 km/h at max speed. Aircon.
    KXXX - Kuai 快车, despite the name, it is not that fast. Moderate number of stops. Aircon
    XXXX - Normal train, many many stops, older train cars, quite slow. Aircon or non-aircon, but non-aircon is getting exceedingly rare.

    If you are unable to secure tickets for D trains. try to go for T trains. Thing is, sometimes there are no seating tickets, then ask for bed WoPu(卧扑), May cost a little more but better than the worst, which is Standing Ticket - ZhanPiao (站票). Sometimes, in worst situations, when I was travelling during CNY itself, can only get standing ticket. Then I will go to the ticketing booth in the train itself (ask or listen to the broadcast and note the car #) and you can go upgrade your ticket (BuPiao 补票) there if there are seats available. I have taken 5 hours train standing, it is no joke. We sit on floor, behind doors, between cars, and the whole train is packed body to body. No choice. BTW, bullet trains do not allow standing tickets usually. However I have seen a little recently on longer bullet train rides (esp the changsa to shanghai train).

    Hope this helps. You might also want to consider taking long distance buses. Although slightly more expensive, it is usually faster than trains (slower than bullet trains though). I have taken the LD buses extensively and it is my preferred method of travelling within Zhejiang province. If you want info on that, I will be another long post. Let me know.
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    hi guys,im back from shanghai!

    shanghai was quite interesting,things are cheap food are cheap too! A good example of cheap food would be 8 xiaolongbaos for SGD1 lol.And i bought a pair of shoes for SGD8(imitation though) and coloured contacts for 18yuan only,really very cheap.

    Regarding the people there,no offense but IMO,singaporeans(or maybe most) are more courteous. juz some actions that gave me a bad impression-1.the people in shanghai do not wait for ppl to get off the train b4 entering it. 2.traffic lights are for show only,nobody obeys dem(however,i find it a joy to cross roads as n when i wan,cars will juz stop for u haha) 3.they spit n litter everywhere they go (im a geographer,so dis kinda turns me off)
    A shopkeeper we went to buy our jeans from asked us whether we were from singapore coz we were very friendly,i guess our reputation isnt dat bad after all haha.

    However,the people in shanghai is generally very helpful as we asked for directions from them quite often n dey always help us unlike some ppl in singapore. i'll juz say different countries have deir different way of living and culture,n different ppl exist in these countries.One juz have to immerse himself into e country's culture and experience it, dats what travelling is all about isnt it =)

    Ok,back to e trip.The French Concession is a great place to go, a much betta Holland V of singapore.Hangzhou was quite interesting as well for sightseeings and definitely worth it. Its better to book train tickets earlier instead of on the day itself. I booked my Shanghai-Hangzhou train tickets around 3days earlier n i still had to settle for a 7.10am train becoz the rest were sold out.The return train ticket was betta as i booked it on the day itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kakashixx View Post
    hi guys,im back from shanghai!

    shanghai was quite interesting,things are cheap food are cheap too! A good example of cheap food would be 8 xiaolongbaos for SGD1 lol.And i bought a pair of shoes for SGD8(imitation though) and coloured contacts for 18yuan only,really very cheap.

    Regarding the people there,no offense but IMO,singaporeans(or maybe most) are more courteous. juz some actions that gave me a bad impression-1.the people in shanghai do not wait for ppl to get off the train b4 entering it. 2.traffic lights are for show only,nobody obeys dem(however,i find it a joy to cross roads as n when i wan,cars will juz stop for u haha) 3.they spit n litter everywhere they go (im a geographer,so dis kinda turns me off)
    A shopkeeper we went to buy our jeans from asked us whether we were from singapore coz we were very friendly,i guess our reputation isnt dat bad after all haha.

    However,the people in shanghai is generally very helpful as we asked for directions from them quite often n dey always help us unlike some ppl in singapore. i'll juz say different countries have deir different way of living and culture,n different ppl exist in these countries.One juz have to immerse himself into e country's culture and experience it, dats what travelling is all about isnt it =)

    Ok,back to e trip.The French Concession is a great place to go, a much betta Holland V of singapore.Hangzhou was quite interesting as well for sightseeings and definitely worth it. Its better to book train tickets earlier instead of on the day itself. I booked my Shanghai-Hangzhou train tickets around 3days earlier n i still had to settle for a 7.10am train becoz the rest were sold out.The return train ticket was betta as i booked it on the day itself.
    Courtesy is very subjective. It does not mean people care.

    If a person fall to the ground in singapore, see how many will stop and help. In china, they may not give way in the train, they may fight for seats in the MRT, but when something happens in China, a lot of people will come forward and help.

    Just take a look at Sichuan earthquake. The first people to get to the scene and start to send people to hospitals are taxi cabs from Chengdu. On the day of earthquake, taxi cabs in Chengdu are almost all missing, because as soon as the news of earthquake went thru the radio system, more than a thousand taxi cabs are immediately on the highway going towards Wenchuan to save lives. This is the one thing I see missing from Singapore. Funny thing is, cab drivers are sometimes the nastiest people to deal with (especially beijing).

    I have been in situations personally where the locals went above and beyond to help without asking for anything back. And when I offer monetary gratitude, they refused. Only when I offer alcohol or food will they accept. These are usually the heartlanders, where many of us foreign people "see them no up". There are bad eggs no doubt, but people in China have a lot of heart and also pride in themselves. When I lived in Shanghai, one of my favorite things to do is to sit by the roadside eating BBQ from a bicycle BBQ store (unlicensed and illegal), drinking 2.50 RMB beer and talking to the BBQ guy, the owner of the small provision shop, the internet cafe and the security guards. Learnt a lot and experience the culture. damn, I am a china man now. Ah... that's life!
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    Hi
    Has anybody tried buying 3 days ticket for Shanghai world expo from the authroized ticket agents?
    Here is what I found from their website: http://en.expo2010.cn/a/20090327/000001.htm
    Is it available for free & easy? I found the packaged tours only visited the place for 1 day. I want to spend more time there and "see the world" hehehe

    Commonwealth Travel Service Corporation Pte Ltd
    Ticketing Business Reception and contact: Attachment No. 5
    Website:www.ctc.com.sg

    Singa China Travel Service Pte Ltd
    Ticketing Business Reception and contact:
    Reception: 1Park Road #03-49/52 People’s Park Complex Singapore 059108
    Contact:65 6534 0052
    Fax: 65 6535 4912
    Website:www.singachinatrvl.com.sg

    I am planning to go there for honeymoon.
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