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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall.
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    confucius? i thought it was an ang moh who said it.

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    confucius? i thought it was an ang moh who said it.
    How do you know he doesn't have red hairs?

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    How do you know he doesn't have red hairs?
    confucius carrot top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipfreak View Post
    confucius? i thought it was an ang moh who said it.
    that's because some of Confucius' diciples are Ang Moh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    While I can agreed with you on this, it do stick out like a sore thumb that her conviction calls for probation but nothing is mention about the court ordering her to get medical attention. If the stealing is really due to her bipolar disorder there should be such an order given that this is the cause of the problem.

    I also agreed that compulsive stealing may stream from a bipolar disorder, but her actions of stealing only credit cards and than using them for her own enjoyment.......... I'm no shrink but that sounds like something well plan out instead of sonething done on conpulsion.

    i quote from wikipedia:

    "Mania (from Greek μανία[1] and that from μαίνομαι - mainomai, "to rage, to be furious") is a severe medical condition characterized by extremely elevated mood, energy, unusual thought patterns and sometimes psychosis."

    psychosis happens more usually during full blown or severe mania. the less manic cycles are called hypomania.

    anyways, for a person with psychosis, he or she can be bombarded with delusional thoughts or in more severe cases, hear voices. there are so many things that can be done that are caused by a manic episode, so who's to say that she wasn't delusional or that she heard voices?

    i'm not saying it is true, but it is a possibility.

    i think the problem is that she made it sound as if her crimes weren't her fault. whether she has bipolar or not, she has done it, and she should be sorry about it.

    bipolar patients have their normal moods as well. it doesn't mean that they only swing from extreme highs to extreme lows. they just have a really really broad spectrum of moods.

    and if you're thinking that oh maybe she has a very severe case of bipolar and has zero control whatsoever in her actions, then in that case, she would and should be hospitalised.

    anyways, when doctors diagnose, they don't just hear from the patient's side of the story. they usually ask to speak to their very close friends and family members to ask about the patient's behaviour and mood patterns through the years or even since childhood. they sometimes give mood charts for the patients to fill up too, or get family members to observe them.
    Last edited by riotvan; 28th September 2009 at 02:18 PM.

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    How do we extend mercy to those who aren't ready to receive it (ie. unremorseful)?

    I agree with some of the comments saying that I'm being bias and unsympathtic. I find it hard to be merciful to those who aren't merciful to themselves. As for being outright bias, take it as my personal opinion, this is not a place for tertiary research.

    The whole point is, I just don't wish to be represented by boomz because it's causing too much shame to the majority of the folks (including me) in an international event.

    We don't need another joke about us.

    And nope, I don't have bipolar disorder- at least doctor told me so- if not I would have lost my restrain and reacted to the unkind remarks made earlier.
    Last edited by eyes; 28th September 2009 at 02:19 PM.
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    Just imagine the headlines during the international event

    SINGAPORE'S BEAUTY QUEEN IS A CONVICTED FRAUDSTER !!!!!

    this time, it is the whole country which BOOMZ!!!
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    If her condition is so severe that she has zero control over her own actions then i believe she is physically unfit for the competition.

    If her condition is mild and she is using it as an excuse for the credit card fraud, then i guess in terms of character, she is not good enough to represent Singapore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveevil View Post
    If her condition is so severe that she has zero control over her own actions then i believe she is physically unfit for the competition.

    If her condition is mild and she is using it as an excuse for the credit card fraud, then i guess in terms of character, she is not good enough to represent Singapore.
    Well said, i always find a way to explain to my friends about my view on such case. But today the above said was the best statement I have found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveevil View Post
    If her condition is so severe that she has zero control over her own actions then i believe she is physically unfit for the competition.

    If her condition is mild and she is using it as an excuse for the credit card fraud, then i guess in terms of character, she is not good enough to represent Singapore.
    Tum podem extulit horridulum...日出東方﹐唯我不敗。

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    Aiyo ,cut her some slack la. She's so young....don't tell me most of u just want to see someone fail n die n rot then happy isit? None of us is perfect so please don't preach 'sainthood' n don't go OTT on the moral high ground overture
    If any of u isn't guilty of any wrong doing in your life ,then u can be free to cast the 1st stone. If not then save your 'venom' for something else ........

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    Saints do wrong too, but at least they admit them and remorse over them.
    Tum podem extulit horridulum...日出東方﹐唯我不敗。

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    Quote Originally Posted by goon View Post
    Aiyo ,cut her some slack la. She's so young....don't tell me most of u just want to see someone fail n die n rot then happy isit? None of us is perfect so please don't preach 'sainthood' n don't go OTT on the moral high ground overture
    If any of u isn't guilty of any wrong doing in your life ,then u can be free to cast the 1st stone. If not then save your 'venom' for something else ........

    Aiyah, this moral talk about 'casting first stone if you're free from any wrong-doing' again

    If you expect all to abide by that moral standard, then I think maybe only Mickey Mouse and his Disney friends can criticize Ris liao.

    Let's be realistic here, this is an internet forum, not a church. Free speech please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goon View Post
    Aiyo ,cut her some slack la. She's so young....don't tell me most of u just want to see someone fail n die n rot then happy isit? None of us is perfect so please don't preach 'sainthood' n don't go OTT on the moral high ground overture
    If any of u isn't guilty of any wrong doing in your life ,then u can be free to cast the 1st stone. If not then save your 'venom' for something else ........
    When I was her age, I didn't recall stealing credit cards or go rob somebody, all I did was to play truant.

    Yes, many of us are not perfect, but not all of us are so imperfect to the point of committing a crime.

    There is a difference between being mischievious and being criminal you know?

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    Well, the concept of 'crime' is derived from the norms of society at large, which means that different acts result in different penalties in different societies.
    That said, swiping someone else's credit card is pretty obviously wrong.

    I’ve mixed feelings about letting her keep her crown. We arent going to even get close for it to matter anyway, but on the other hand, this aint the yellow ribbon project (Which she can now join since she's tried all other pageants already).
    What does irk me though, is the response by the organiser, where they said that Singaporeans ‘didnt pay for Ris Low’. Dont exactly know how to read that.

    Anyway, she’s great lah, I’ve not enjoyed beauty pageants this much in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobbit6003 View Post
    When I was her age, I didn't recall stealing credit cards or go rob somebody, all I did was to play truant.

    Yes, many of us are not perfect, but not all of us are so imperfect to the point of committing a crime.

    There is a difference between being mischievious and being criminal you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes View Post
    Saints do wrong too, but at least they admit them and remorse over them.
    if ris low is your baby sister would you wish all the brudders give her another chance and be soft to her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitan View Post
    if ris low is your baby sister would you wish all the brudders give her another chance and be soft to her?

    You can ask the same question to those people who Ris stole from

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeiPiGu View Post
    You can ask the same question to those people who Ris stole from

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitan View Post
    if ris low is your baby sister would you wish all the brudders give her another chance and be soft to her?
    If Ris Low is my baby sitter, I'll give her as many chances as she needs. Besides, my lips will be "pacified" and hence can't complain

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    What does irk me though, is the response by the organiser, where they said that Singaporeans ‘didnt pay for Ris Low’. Dont exactly know how to read that.
    Boomz!
    ....
    You guys think you know so much , started to post and give your comment , sounded as if you are perfect staint, above all wrong and misdeeds.
    What you heard are just news carried in the newspaper.How do you know ERM/organsizer is not taking any action?
    Surely they have to consult their legal people on the necessary action to follow.
    Last edited by tonyleong; 28th September 2009 at 05:57 PM.

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