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    Bo pian lor, some have their mindset fixed in a certain way; so much so that they accuse others of the very same thing they committed without realising they did it first! For his scholarship you better ask him directly Grin

    So bro, what's your credentials? HAHAH If not can't talk hor according to some pple!

    Best part, keep saying they are out but stil cant' resist coming back in!

    Quote Originally Posted by HeiPiGu View Post
    Is he on a PSC scholarship or something? Cause the way he always responds is very similar to those standard replies given by Stat Board, those that
    you read often in Straits Times. I wouldn't be surprised if he is, he'll make a good government spokesman

    I better keep quiet too in case he ask me for my credentials
    Last edited by vince123123; 20th September 2009 at 11:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post

    So bro, what's your credentials? HAHAH If not can't talk hor according to some pple!

    I got no credentials one, I'm not elite

    The last time I criticised an elite, she asked me to get out of her "elite uncaring face"

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    yes, from just exchange of opinions , now become ad hominem attack.

    are you a road sweeper? if you are, you should keep quiet and sweep the roads.

    if you are taxi driver, keep quiet and drive the cars. let the people who know people in the industry comment on such things
    hahaha.
    i merely expressed my views and got refered to as 'shallow'.
    oh well, nothing i can do.

    it doesn't take a great artist to be an art critic.
    anyone can express their personal views on public forums.
    i just find it weird how people here are extremely one-tracked mind.

    anyway, back to sweeping the road

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    Yah better stop critcising elites or would be elites, later on kena black mark then my income tax statement all kena dig out.

    Quote Originally Posted by HeiPiGu View Post
    I got no credentials one, I'm not elite

    The last time I criticised an elite, she asked me to get out of her "elite uncaring face"
    Last edited by vince123123; 21st September 2009 at 12:31 AM.

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    Actually, if you were referring to me, I didn't say you are shallow; the reference was not made ot you at all.

    However, I agree that credentials are not required to give an opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiphopper View Post
    hahaha.
    i merely expressed my views and got refered to as 'shallow'.
    oh well, nothing i can do.

    it doesn't take a great artist to be an art critic.
    anyone can express their personal views on public forums.
    i just find it weird how people here are extremely one-tracked mind.

    anyway, back to sweeping the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeiPiGu View Post
    I got no credentials one, I'm not elite

    The last time I criticised an elite, she asked me to get out of her "elite uncaring face"

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    Wah piang eh, like that you also can find a related link, really win liao

    As mentioned on the Flickr link comment, only a Singaporean will get the joke above

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Bo pian lor, some have their mindset fixed in a certain way; so much so that they accuse others of the very same thing they committed without realising they did it first! For his scholarship you better ask him directly Grin

    So bro, what's your credentials? HAHAH If not can't talk hor according to some pple!

    Best part, keep saying they are out but stil cant' resist coming back in!

    It seems that you'll never miss the chance to have a go at night86mare. I'm not sure what the feud is but chill it ya? At least he did not try to give law advices cos he is aware that he is not trained in law.
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    Are you asking me to show you my credentials in law as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by cowmera View Post
    It seems that you'll never miss the chance to have a go at night86mare. I'm not sure what the feud is but chill it ya? At least he did not try to give law advices cos he is aware that he is not trained in law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Are you asking me to show you my credentials in law as well?
    No, i'm not asking you to but if you want to, ok.
    I'm a cow with a camera

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    Feel free to PM me for a meeting time. We will exchange credentials
    Quote Originally Posted by cowmera View Post
    No, i'm not asking you to but if you want to, ok.
    P.S. Just noticed that posts have been deleted in this thread; it could be that you didn't get the complete picture.
    Last edited by vince123123; 21st September 2009 at 03:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Feel free to PM me for a meeting time and place We will exchange credentials
    You are damn scary! I have never challenge you but if you want to meet me, sure! It's nice to know another person.
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    I'm not scary, I just put my money where my mouth is. PM offer is still open if you are interested in following up.

    Cheers!

    Quote Originally Posted by cowmera View Post
    You are damn scary! I have never challenge you but if you want to meet me, sure! It's nice to know another person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    I'm not scary, I just put my money where my mouth is. PM offer is still open if you are interested in following up.

    Cheers!
    your pm is full!
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    Didn't realise.

    Email me at vince1231234 at yahoo dot com dot sg instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by cowmera View Post
    your pm is full!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowmera View Post
    ......but if you want to meet me, sure! It's nice to know another person.
    I've checked your profile and you're a female.

    That's great.

    I'm very interested to meet you too.

    Just name time and place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cowmera View Post
    At least he did not try to give law advices cos he is aware that he is not trained in law.
    Who says Nai Meh is not trained in law?

    He is the best lawyer we have in Kopitiam.

    I believe in him more than my own lawyer.


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    Who says Nai Meh is not trained in law?

    He is the best lawyer we have in Kopitiam.

    I believe in him more than my own lawyer.

    wow, so much confidence in me..

    do you need any legal advice? i have no credentials, but i can write up some when i am very free, then we can meet for coffee.

    pm me if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    The problem is lies with the customers. Too many GWCs here are just too easily satisfied. As long as a xmm smiles at them, wears a little less, stands in front of their camera, they are happy. So, customers' demand is satisfied, but that does not means the standard is good. I really should not use the word "good". In many instances, the best I can say is "just above sucks".




    This is the SAD part. You meant, the photographer's skills, artistic talent and track record for producing good to great images do not count as incentives? This is really sad.




    Cannot agree more. Many are just too deluded, they thought, they believe and worst, they were told that they were beautiful, they should be models. And in reality, well, they really cannot. So, as customers, if we accepts subpar products and services, we deserve to get what we are dished. **see my comments about GWCs above**
    you know how things work here right.......

    XMM models come here take up one or two TFCD, after the shoot get the images, upload and start offering paid shot..

    so who are the photographer's names on top of the TFCD list? who can offer fast and furies photo session with images, who can offer makeup, costume, theme blar blar blar.... will have the change to do TFCD with the new faces.

    so where got time for new models to search and go thr all the photographers' work? where got time to meet up with photographers for pre shoot discussion? all want fast fast chop chop, got photos better than their handphone pix can liao, money can roll in fast fast right? since lots of guys are not that picky right?

    btw, how many "models" have you been rejected har? lost count liao right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    you know how things work here right.......

    XMM models come here take up one or two TFCD, after the shoot get the images, upload and start offering paid shot..

    so who are the photographer's names on top of the TFCD list? who can offer fast and furies photo session with images, who can offer makeup, costume, theme blar blar blar.... will have the change to do TFCD with the new faces.
    if you check around, this is very true. Most of the newface mollers have less than 5 actual "training" shoots, with some even get paid by "organizers" in their virgin shoot, (like what some claim to be like $20 for a half-day shoot, and where photographers paid 6x$30, the difference go to the organizers).

    IMO, there are some factors that contribute to this pathetic state that we are in ...
    1. too many GWCs and too few new faces, (thus the demand outstrips the supplies...)

    2. too many "organizers" and too few good but cheap mollers, (organizers are known to filch mollers from other organizers thru badmouthing, higher $, incentives, etc thus reducing the need to improve the skills of the mollers by the original organizer, and also since there are so many organizers, competition is keen, and no body is willing to groom mollers anymore. Also GWCs are not willing to pay good money for good mollers and so organizers got no choice but to look for cheap mollers)

    3. too many good photographers shooting new faces, (this is ironical. Mollers offer TFCD only to good photographers and because they are good, the images are outstanding, thus resulting in newfaces thinking that they are naturally talented and good enough to ask for payment straight away.)

    4. paying too little to the good mollers and too much for the new faces, and because of the need for new faces, many popular mollers with popular faces/b00bs/body but who can't pose often ask and get the same as very seasoned mollers' fee.
    always the Light, .... always.

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