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    Was taking pictures around clark quay. Sun was setting and a few boats had passed.

    1. In what area is critique to be sought?
    Colours of the photo. As I am totally new to photoshop, I only heard playing with with the curves will be good start and so I tried. Have not done any cropping of the photo, is there a need to?

    2. What one hopes to achieve with the piece of work?
    I was hoping to get a picture with the old but modern feeling. Thats why I used the sepia mode. since the high rise buildings are not available in the olden times when bump boats already exsisted.

    3. Under what circumstance is the picture taken? (physical conditions/emotions)
    I used to study history back in sec school days. I remembered seeing an image of the singapore river with the coolies doing the work and the bump boat and all. There wasnt any high rise buildings at all.

    4. What the critique seeker personally thinks of the picture
    I love this picture alot and hoping to frame it up if I am able to get the photoshop technique / cropping right.
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    *Temp Approval*

    Sort out the image issue else delete within 24hours.
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    can someone pls help? i have no idea whats the image issue...like is the photo too small? how do i resize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t3hkor View Post
    can someone pls help? i have no idea whats the image issue...like is the photo too small? how do i resize?
    Check the guidelines, there is recommendation of 800x600. Your image is 500x356 pixels. Take your original image (on your computer), resize to a target of about 800x600, upload, change the link in initial posting to point to new image, done.
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    For someone who is not familiar with Singapore's history, can't tell anything from this picture.
    Only in your writeup.

    Even though, the bumboat is already not the authentic one during the 60s.

    It is better if you can portray a foreground of the wooden bumboat with the painted eyes with a semi-circular canvas cover( shade ) using those financial hub hi-rise as backdrop and not silhouette against the light.

    Should be done in the morning when the sunlight is shining from the East.

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    Thanks for the tip! never thought of how those that dont know about singapore history think. will take note of that nxt time

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    IMHO i feel slightly under expose...increase exposure could make it better?

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    2 issues I see here:

    1. Horizon is tilted. If you can't tell due to the roundness of the waterline, you can sure tell by how all the taller buildings are leaning to the right of the picture.

    2. The picture is underexposed so that not much details can be seen. This happens when you try to shoot directly into the sun. If you want to try this shot again, you should consider GND filters, or wait till the sun is blocked by a cloud, or find a tall building to block it.

    These 2 issues take so much from the pic that I cannot comment on how the rest of the pic is.

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    Curious: you mentioned you played with curves- did you further darken the image? In cases like this, you can pull the first quarter of the curve up while pushing the rest down (keeping it a smooth arc, so the colours don't mutate too much), so that the shadows brighten and the bright parts fade.

    If you intentionally want the darker bits for the photo, then use the (what's the opposite of burn?) tool to lighten it, or the history brush to manually brighten the buildings.

    But still, I agree with the rest. Far too dark to discern any detail.

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    wow i cannt really see the tilt till you mentioned

    anyway this the orginal.



    Im not really sure how to use photoshop except adjusting the curves n looking at the picture to see if its what i wanted to see

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    Quote Originally Posted by t3hkor View Post
    wow i cannt really see the tilt till you mentioned
    anyway this the orginal.
    Im not really sure how to use photoshop except adjusting the curves n looking at the picture to see if its what i wanted to see
    This is the real original from cam? That means you have used in-camera conversion with some sepia tone? Don't do that. Go there again, shoot again, shoot in JPG, colur, highest resolution (see manual). Then start with Photoshop. If that's too much for you (I know, PS is a monster of software) then use other, smaller applications. Some use Picasa, some PaintShop.Your camera is the tool to capture the image, your computer is the tool to edit the image. Both are specialists, but only in their trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    This is the real original from cam? That means you have used in-camera conversion with some sepia tone? Don't do that. Go there again, shoot again, shoot in JPG, colur, highest resolution (see manual). Then start with Photoshop. If that's too much for you (I know, PS is a monster of software) then use other, smaller applications. Some use Picasa, some PaintShop.Your camera is the tool to capture the image, your computer is the tool to edit the image. Both are specialists, but only in their trade.
    yep thats the original from the camera. Okay will try that shot again but care to share why not use the camera sepia tone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t3hkor View Post
    yep thats the original from the camera. Okay will try that shot again but care to share why not use the camera sepia tone?
    Because the camera applies an average predefined conversion profile. Here you have a backlight condition (non-standard situation) where even the exposure is not correct. First get the exposure correct on the spot. Then you can convert at home and make additional adjustments to the conversion (even up to the point of partial image editing). With a properly exposed (best: RAW) image you can try all kinds of stuff (B/W, sepia and many other image styles) and still have the original file to return to if the result doesn't work for you. With a sepia tone file from camera you can't do much anymore, it's sepia only and you cannot even go back to colour to try something different. Always keep an unedited copy of your files from the camera.
    Apart from that: every conversion (jpg, sepia, B/W etc) will cause a loss of image details. It's unavoidable and the nature of such conversions. But I guess you want to have as much details as possible before you even start editing, right? So with your tricky backlight it would be good to start with high resolution & low compression jpg, best would be working with RAW. With RAW you can restore slightly overexposed areas again. With jpg they are lost, blown out, white garbage.
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    I see that you're trying out silhouette. Why did you, if you really are. I am not saying its wrong, but there should be a reason for every shot you take, "not just suka-suka happy happy take, as long as its nice." A picture tells a thousand words, if we look at your picture and our minds go ...? even if you'd insist there's some story behind it, you've become the story teller, not the photo. A bit long winded here, but I hope you get what I mean.

    So silhouette photos can work, can still tell a story, but whats your photo trying to say? I suggest a search up in flickr or elsewhere for silhouettes that work.

    Coincidentally, I've a similar version taken somewhere there too as seen here : http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/...352914bfef.jpg Its been processed differently too, with the objective to show the sun sets and the surrounding in greater details.

    Dont worry, its just another learning experience. Shoot more! Good luck!
    Already abused my D40 and D80 for my flickr

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    yea thanks for all the advices. Understand more of what it means now. When i shot the picture in my mind was just the old textbook i saw. the thought of others not seeing the photo did not cross my mind. now i know what to look out for. Glad i posted here haha i was ever thinking im so contented with the shot now im not lol!

    yea cheguthamrin thats a very nice photo i would love to take but my PS skills is at NONE lol

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    why you should not use incam conversion, is because black and white photography (under which you can add sepia toning) is a lot more than just desaturation. that is generally what the camera does for you. it just dumps all the color and tries to give you a rough representation of relatively brightness. with PROPER black and white conversion from color photo, you can achieve much more synergy and more personalised treatment to make a better picture.

    boat position is nice.

    shift the frame to the left, there needs to be more space there.

    here the horizon will not be accurate, opposite bank is too close, you are going to get horizontal perspective distortion (daredevil should note this also, if he is interested). what is accurate here is the building tilt, and it is obvious enough that you are definitely getting either vertical perspective distoriton or camera tilt. i am thinking that it is the former.

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    t3hkor, i also just got photoshop awhile ago,but know how to use much better now cos cos i went to library borrow books. Got some really good photoshop encyclopedia-type books, which give you instructions to do almost anything you can do with a picture, in convenient and easy-to-follow steps.

    Also got specialist books (eg. photographing women), which can give you specialised help, like how to remodel a person from an ahlian to a perfect barbie. (literally changing the whole body shape etc)

    library = free + easy to use

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    haha yea will try to pick that up when i have time!

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    not just crit on your picture....pls take a look, maybe with your parents too.

    youtube ...Singapore - Crossroads of the East 1938.
    Last edited by cabbySHE; 25th September 2009 at 02:41 AM.

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    First off, the horizon's a little tilted. I can see the boat clearly--given your theme--it's relevant is what I can say. As for photoshop, reading books form the library is good, but taking more pictures and applying it is better. Start by:

    Taking more pictures with intention to color-correct, treat it in photoshop. Get into photoshop, attempt to treat it to what you visualise. When you hit a wall, don't know how to achieve what you intend to, just refer to the index page of the book and get some help.

    Often, the help file in photoshop is your best friend. Other than that, google is God.

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