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    In TV or Hi Fi systems, products from Europe, US and Japan have characteristics which meet different taste of the people in different countries.

    Before LCD TV, when I bought TV set, I went for european set, I prefer their color to the Japanese set. For hi fi speakers, I like the sound of products from certain countries.

    In cameras, do different brands have their own unique color or presentation? Wonder what's the difference in the pictures from Nikon and Canon. Is this the main reason you choose your camera?

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    Why just Nikon and Canon? Don't forget Hasselblad, Leica, Contax, Pentax, Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, etc etc etc.

    Your post is more likely to start a brand war than anything, especially since your question has already been asked countless times on here and all over the web.
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    Considering the possibilities of post processing and the fact that DLSR more or less asks for such work the question is irrelevant. Photographers are not slaves of predefined colour profiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBL2009 View Post
    In TV or Hi Fi systems, products from Europe, US and Japan have characteristics which meet different taste of the people in different countries.

    Before LCD TV, when I bought TV set, I went for european set, I prefer their color to the Japanese set. For hi fi speakers, I like the sound of products from certain countries.

    In cameras, do different brands have their own unique color or presentation? Wonder what's the difference in the pictures from Nikon and Canon. Is this the main reason you choose your camera?
    When you watch moving images on a television, or listen to music from a HiFi system, you're experiencing the finished product as "tweaked" by the manufacturer.
    If you capture an image in RAW, you're capturing actual light information represented in analog form. This is totally unprocessed, and so there is no difference, because it's physically accurate.

    Your question is like saying whether a German oven or a Japanese one, both set to 200 degrees C, which one is hotter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    When you watch moving images on a television, or listen to music from a HiFi system, you're experiencing the finished product as "tweaked" by the manufacturer.
    If you capture an image in RAW, you're capturing actual light information represented in analog form. This is totally unprocessed, and so there is no difference, because it's physically accurate.

    Your question is like saying whether a German oven or a Japanese one, both set to 200 degrees C, which one is hotter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Why just Nikon and Canon? Don't forget Hasselblad, Leica, Contax, Pentax, Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, etc etc etc.

    Your post is more likely to start a brand war than anything, especially since your question has already been asked countless times on here and all over the web.
    My question could be Leica, Contax, Pentax, Panasonic or Sony. I picked Nikon and Canon as there are many people who own these two brands and they may know the difference. I didn't ask which one is better, it is not my question, so it is unlikely to start a brand war, I hope.
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    Default Re: Pictures from Nikon and Canon

    theres no difference?

    all an image is an electronic conversion of light sensory inputs...
    colour temperature, tint, etc is predefined by the guy using the damn thing..

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    camera will behave differently on different people, who you want to use it for benchmark?

    do you make your purchase because of "so and so" also using this camera?
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    Why I choose the brand I use?

    The flash system, the user friendlyness in the UI, the choices of accessories available, the choices of lens available.

    Good enough for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    When you watch moving images on a television, or listen to music from a HiFi system, you're experiencing the finished product as "tweaked" by the manufacturer.
    If you capture an image in RAW, you're capturing actual light information represented in analog form. This is totally unprocessed, and so there is no difference, because it's physically accurate.

    Your question is like saying whether a German oven or a Japanese one, both set to 200 degrees C, which one is hotter?
    The German oven or Japanese oven, which one is hotter, you are refering to one parameter, that is temperature.

    If we take a Jpeg picture from the camera without post processing, would the same Aperture, Shutter, WB, ISO settings from two different cameras give us different image? There are processing in the camera, are we saying the image data is processed exactly in the same way whether it is Nikon or Canon designers?

    I wish to know whether there is a difference and mayb experienced Nikon and Canon users can tell the difference. Or mayb there is no difference, then my question is answered.

    If two pictures, one from each camera is shown to an experienced photographer who owned these two brands, will he say, this one is likely from Nikon and the other one is likely from Canon?
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    It could be possible if they are just based on the jpg output and not tweaked further. There are some slight differences on both sides.

    And colour, noise control, etc are part of the equation. But seriously, you would be hard pressed to find the difference if you are not pixel peeping.
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    Aiya!
    why make your life so difficult?

    just get a Canon Body mount a Nikon Lens,
    you have best of both world!

    problem solved, case closed. TGIF
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    camera will behave differently on different people, who you want to use it for benchmark?

    do you make your purchase because of "so and so" also using this camera?
    Just want to know whether there is any difference. I didn't ask for purchase advice.
    I bought a Nikon D40 because it is within my budget and it is an entry level DSLR for beginner.

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    I'm a Nikon user. I also tried Canon system before. Honestly if you are shooting the two cameras with default factory setting for Jpeg (not everyone shoot RAW, imho), Canon images deliver a more contrast & deeper tone, which I like. However if you go into custom White Balance & Picture control, both cameras are able to deliver same quality, and you will sure go into it when you explore more with your DSLR.

    I choose Nikon because I see that Nikon body has better build & all the buttons are within my finger-reach , esp the shutter speed & aperture dials.

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    I have no opportunity to compare. But I will bet that there will be a noticeable difference. Why? different algorithm, difference sensors, etc... Though they may conform to certain industry std, deviations remains. I dealt with certain exp. industry equipment, and it is well known that deviations occur and is kind of characteristics of certain brand - need to clarify that these dev. are within ind. std.

    for the case of camera, i guess the difference is of not much consequence.

    this thread just trigger my another thought: we read, at least I read, that DSLR is sensitive to lens quality vis a vis film. Now I wonder if they is any particular brand that is more accommodating (due to their sensor microlens design, etc.)?

    PS. those who said no difference; Have you actually compare side by side or just your own thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBL2009 View Post
    If we take a Jpeg picture from the camera without post processing, would the same Aperture, Shutter, WB, ISO settings from two different cameras give us different image? There are processing in the camera, are we saying the image data is processed exactly in the same way whether it is Nikon or Canon designers?
    I wish to know whether there is a difference and mayb experienced Nikon and Canon users can tell the difference. Or mayb there is no difference, then my question is answered.
    The only thing that is unprocessed is a RAW file. Everything else is subject to a lot of settings, algorithms and conversions in the camera. Check your manual, each of those settings for Image Style, WB, Dynamic Highlight etc. is a whole bunch of algorithms of image altering. Things that are kept secret by C, N and all the other ones because it's they trade secret how to achieve a certain output. And since Canon uses a different sensor than Nikon (but Nikon the same as Sony, IIRC) you can see already where the differences are. That's the reason why there are reviews showing only RAW images - it is to avoid all those tweaks and tricks during JPG conversion.
    The answer is: yes, there are differences. But they are less relevant the moment a photographer has it's own vision of what to achieve and uses RAW and post processing.

    If two pictures, one from each camera is shown to an experienced photographer who owned these two brands, will he say, this one is likely from Nikon and the other one is likely from Canon?
    That's close to the esoteric guessing about wine, vintage and location. A few guys can recognize a couple of wines cause they love them, but none of them knows all. Back to images: the moment somebody uses Photoshop all guessing becomes useless. And don't forget the influence of the lens. There is the dreamy bokeh of lens A, the sharpness of lens B - all comes into the overall impression of the image. Using a different lens changes already the colours. Where do you want to draw the line?
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    I think posts like this will end up like numerous similar Nikon vs Canon threads

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBL2009 View Post
    The German oven or Japanese oven, which one is hotter, you are refering to one parameter, that is temperature.

    If we take a Jpeg picture from the camera without post processing, would the same Aperture, Shutter, WB, ISO settings from two different cameras give us different image? There are processing in the camera, are we saying the image data is processed exactly in the same way whether it is Nikon or Canon designers?

    I wish to know whether there is a difference and mayb experienced Nikon and Canon users can tell the difference. Or mayb there is no difference, then my question is answered.

    If two pictures, one from each camera is shown to an experienced photographer who owned these two brands, will he say, this one is likely from Nikon and the other one is likely from Canon?
    If you're talking about JPEGs, then by definition this is an image that has been processed. JPEG without post processing is an oxymoron. It doesn't exist. Just because you don't do any editing on the PC doesn't mean that no editing was done.
    On that point, say you take 2 photos with a Canon and Nikon camera set-up side by side.
    There are so many parameters that define how the JPEG turns out. How can you definitely say they're equal? Sunny WB might be defined by Nikon to be XXX Kelvin colour temperature, but Canon might define it as XXX-100 Kelvin. Same goes for picture controls. How to define Vivid, Normal, etc...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBL2009 View Post
    Just want to know whether there is any difference. I didn't ask for purchase advice.
    I bought a Nikon D40 because it is within my budget and it is an entry level DSLR for beginner.
    since you have already bought the camera, why still want to compare this and that?

    what kind of answers you will get here?
    Nikon better? Canon better?

    what kind of answer you looking for?
    for telling you meet a right choice? or a wrong decision?

    so if you come to a conclusion that another system is better, are you gonne change system? yes? no?

    Why don't just spend the efforts on your current camera, learn how to use it, make full use of it, learn how to use your current gear how to make nice photographs.

    unless you are more interested on comparing cameras than taking photographs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    since you have already bought the camera, why still want to compare this and that?

    what kind of answers you will get here?
    Nikon better? Canon better?

    what kind of answer you looking for?
    for telling you meet a right choice? or a wrong decision?

    so if you come to a conclusion that another system is better, are you gonne change system? yes? no?

    Why don't just spend the efforts on your current camera, learn how to use it, make full use of it, learn how to use your current gear how to make nice photographs.

    unless you are more interested on comparing cameras than taking photographs.
    - since you have already bought the camera, why still want to compare this and that?

    [Not comparing this and that, only wish to learn something I don't know.]

    - what kind of answers you will get here? Nikon better? Canon better?

    [Which is better is not the answer I am after. I have repeated a few times and if my question is still misleading, I have to write better. Some response to this thread are very useful and answers which are factual are most helpful. It helps me in this hobby.]

    - what kind of answer you looking for? for telling you meet a right choice? or a wrong decision?

    [Answer I am looking for are characteristics of cameras of different brands. Information helps a person to stay objective and he can make informed decision. I am not unhappy with the first camera I bought, it was a right decision but I should not stop learning.]

    - so if you come to a conclusion that another system is better, are you gonne change system? yes? no?

    [No plan to change my camera. And it is not the purpose of this thread.]

    - Why don't just spend the efforts on your current camera, learn how to use it, make full use of it, learn how to use your current gear how to make nice photographs. unless you are more interested on comparing cameras than taking photographs.

    [Thanks for the reminder, I spend a lots of time with my camera and take pictures.]

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