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    Default Re: I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"

    Quote Originally Posted by clavi View Post
    5 pages and u haven't read a conclusion nor close the thread yet... haha!

    In a nutshell, please go ahead and buy expensive cameras and lenses (if finances allow, or up to your budget) and also remember to practice and practice until your photography skills is perfect.
    i already hv my conclusion and so does many...

    hv u finish reading the thread already ?

    I was requested not to close this and let it going..
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    Default Re: I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"

    even if you close the thread, it can still be read...
    So I think you should go ahead and close the thread...
    Exploring! :)

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    Default Re: I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"

    Both, camera and the one behind it deserve an evened out amount of credit, just look at the latest movies which use a lot of hand held shots, take Crank2 for example it's been shot entirely on handheld cams canon XH1 iirc and the HF10 which is a consumer camcorder! And it works in that movie! in other movies like public enemies it doesnt, if just doesnt fit the genre.
    And for photography it's probably similar...

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    Default Re: I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"

    Hmm.. I somewhat understand what TS is going through.

    No doubt, I do agree that there are some individuals who overuse the phrase to put others down, while boosting their ego at the expense of others'.
    Some, are truly sincere when they bring up the point to individuals who equate L or G lenses with FF bodies to Photography Professionalism.
    Some, are purely sour grapes when others purchase equipment that they wish they had the finances to buy.

    All in all, good equipment in the hands of a maestro makes wonders. Good composition with good understanding of light and all the other factors give you a good picture, but sometimes, with better equipment, you'd get an excellent picture; sorta like an enhancement. We all constantly comment on factors like bokeh and contrast, which, in fact, are heavily dependant on equipment. No matter how good one may be, one cannot make a portrait shot with a 85 1.8 with the creamy bokeh of an 85 1.2/1.4.

    Composition, exposure, etc are much more a testament to skill levels. A good camera in the hands of someone who shoots in fully auto will not get consistent results, no matter what ever equipment upgrades they get.

    The phrase holds some truth, but only in certain situations. =P

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    Default Re: I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"

    The person behind the person behind the camera also matters a lot. Nobody will be able to take good pictures if the spouse keeps whinging about spending too much money for equipments or walking too slow during holidays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reim1o View Post
    The person behind the person behind the camera also matters a lot. Nobody will be able to take good pictures if the spouse keeps whinging about spending too much money for equipments or walking too slow during holidays.
    This always happens to me...

    "why are u taking photo of the door?... go take the dead cockroach there also laaa"

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    Among the best self advice for myself, is to be selective of what ppl say. Hear any spoken words, listen to advices. Be in good company to teach us more; be neutral when we disagree, and walk away to avoid putting others down. Eventually, its your camera, the way you take pics, and you either take photos to please yourself, or to please the clients.
    Already abused my D40 and D80 for my flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by TsQ View Post
    This always happens to me...

    "why are u taking photo of the door?... go take the dead cockroach there also laaa"
    Sometimes, friends might make this kind of remarks during a holiday, "Why you this oso take ah?", "That one you take for what?" It is only when they look at the photos and think, "Eh, nice leh, you take this peekture, brings back memories".

    Dont get affected too much, sometimes they dont mean it, just a casual remark from them.

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    Mmm, i think this article more or less wraps it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valour View Post
    Sometimes, friends might make this kind of remarks during a holiday, "Why you this oso take ah?", "That one you take for what?" It is only when they look at the photos and think, "Eh, nice leh, you take this peekture, brings back memories".

    Dont get affected too much, sometimes they dont mean it, just a casual remark from them.
    Pretty much agree with that.
    It's your hobby. Just shoot what you like and upgrade what you need.

    The best way is take good pictures(existing or new gear) to shut them up.

    Let the picture do the talking.


    Cheers =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    In most cases, a more appropriate comparison is michael schumacher on a Honda Civic is still going to beat me flat even if I drive a 911. Trust me there is some truth in this, a good photographer with a point and shoot will still get a better sets of pict compare to a amature with a 1DsIII or D3x, but a comparable photographer using a P&S vs another with a good DSLR, the outcome will be apparent.

    Don't need to be sian, just need to understand the truth is both the people & the equipment is important, and everyone is entitle to their own point of view, and that's what make this world interesting.
    I didn't finish reading the rest of the post so many someone may have mention it, car comparison reminds me of this lady Sabine Schmitz, she drove a huge Van, those bigger than our CD ambulance and she over took a porsche in one of the Top Gear series, even faster than some super bikes if I'm not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEADMETAL View Post
    I didn't finish reading the rest of the post so many someone may have mention it, car comparison reminds me of this lady Sabine Schmitz, she drove a huge Van, those bigger than our CD ambulance and she over took a porsche in one of the Top Gear series, even faster than some super bikes if I'm not wrong.

    Can write in to Mythbusters for them to prove

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    Quote Originally Posted by TsQ View Post
    This always happens to me...

    "why are u taking photo of the door?... go take the dead cockroach there also laaa"
    HAHAHA same! Exactly the same lololol.
    "Why take this, eheheeh there got people, that uncles all dancing, eh go snap him luh huh"


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    Default Re: I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"

    It is the person behind it, or I should say, using the tool.

    Familiarity with your tool is the most important. If a legendary guitarist with no experience using the piano before was asked to play a complex piece on a piano, he/she probably can't play it well as it requires finger dexeterity and strength.

    Know your in and outs with your tool, feel it, sleep with it, carass it and by then you will know how to overcome its limitations or go around it.

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    Default Re: I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"

    everyone's talking about different things here, some composition, some IQ, some capability of camera in challenging scenarios... etc

    so i guess there won't be any answer to this argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UandMe View Post
    everyone's talking about different things here, some composition, some IQ, some capability of camera in challenging scenarios... etc

    so i guess there won't be any answer to this argument.
    Hmmmm? Hmmm... lol.

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    If everyone is talking at the same point, then how to hit 7 pages and going for more

    Quote Originally Posted by UandMe View Post
    everyone's talking about different things here, some composition, some IQ, some capability of camera in challenging scenarios... etc

    so i guess there won't be any answer to this argument.

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    The person behind it plays a larger part...

    Even a Harinezumi camera under the hands of a pro can produce awesome images.
    Eg: http://www.tee-too.com/
    I am NOT a PROfessional photographer and photography is NOT my hobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by TsQ View Post
    I keep hearing this from my frens... super sian

    yes we all know the person themself plays a vital role into a good photo.. but ofcos the camera needs to get some credit too...

    u go give michael schumacher a cherry QQ and compete with a average driver in a 911 turbo and go track, see who win...

    go take a camera phone and u go try to take a award winning photo and see (no heavy post processing ofcos)

    I think the correct phase shld be "The person holding the camera is the most important element in taking a good photo, while the rest rest on the gears"

    I think this phrase is an equivalenace to "Last time Ma Ta wear shorts", its just way overused.

    I think there is some truth in it, but it is not the absolute truth. In my opinion, there are a couple of groups of people whom uses this phrase

    1) People who knows absolutely nothing but think that by using this phrase, it will help to cover their shortcomings or lack of knowledge.

    This is a cool thing to say and by saying this, "at least I dont come across as knowing nothing about photography"

    2) People who worked their socks off to gain the vast amount of knowledge that they process and by saying in their face that the equipment makes all the difference, "you are undermining my skill set and crediting all my good work to the equipment"

    3) And the 3rd is group is, well, they just say it because it is diplomatically the right thing to say.

    4) Sad to say, this last group is just jealous

    For me, A PnS in the hands of a professional will yield better result then a D3X or whatever top range camera in my hands. But in the hands of an absoulte amatuer like me, A DSLR out of the box will definitely yield better result then a PNS.

    If it is really the man behind the camera and not the equipment, at least a good part of it, then why aren't all "professional" holding Canon Ixus , Fujifile F series, or Nikon PnS, it should yield good results , right? then why spend tons of money on huge DSLR, then why upgrade?

    A good DSLR dont make a good photographer, I agree, but it definitely processes more tools then a PnS for one to learn to be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEADMETAL View Post
    I didn't finish reading the rest of the post so many someone may have mention it, car comparison reminds me of this lady Sabine Schmitz, she drove a huge Van, those bigger than our CD ambulance and she over took a porsche in one of the Top Gear series, even faster than some super bikes if I'm not wrong.

    I think this is the point, how many of such ladies could you find? I think for general discussion like this, we should be referring to the general 80% of photographers

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