even if you close the thread, it can still be read...
So I think you should go ahead and close the thread...
Both, camera and the one behind it deserve an evened out amount of credit, just look at the latest movies which use a lot of hand held shots, take Crank2 for example it's been shot entirely on handheld cams canon XH1 iirc and the HF10 which is a consumer camcorder! And it works in that movie! in other movies like public enemies it doesnt, if just doesnt fit the genre.
And for photography it's probably similar...
Hmm.. I somewhat understand what TS is going through.
No doubt, I do agree that there are some individuals who overuse the phrase to put others down, while boosting their ego at the expense of others'.
Some, are truly sincere when they bring up the point to individuals who equate L or G lenses with FF bodies to Photography Professionalism.
Some, are purely sour grapes when others purchase equipment that they wish they had the finances to buy.
All in all, good equipment in the hands of a maestro makes wonders. Good composition with good understanding of light and all the other factors give you a good picture, but sometimes, with better equipment, you'd get an excellent picture; sorta like an enhancement. We all constantly comment on factors like bokeh and contrast, which, in fact, are heavily dependant on equipment. No matter how good one may be, one cannot make a portrait shot with a 85 1.8 with the creamy bokeh of an 85 1.2/1.4.
Composition, exposure, etc are much more a testament to skill levels. A good camera in the hands of someone who shoots in fully auto will not get consistent results, no matter what ever equipment upgrades they get.
The phrase holds some truth, but only in certain situations. =P
1 Camera Body and a couple lenses.
The person behind the person behind the camera also matters a lot. Nobody will be able to take good pictures if the spouse keeps whinging about spending too much money for equipments or walking too slow during holidays.
Among the best self advice for myself, is to be selective of what ppl say. Hear any spoken words, listen to advices. Be in good company to teach us more; be neutral when we disagree, and walk away to avoid putting others down. Eventually, its your camera, the way you take pics, and you either take photos to please yourself, or to please the clients.
Dont get affected too much, sometimes they dont mean it, just a casual remark from them.
It is the person behind it, or I should say, using the tool.
Familiarity with your tool is the most important. If a legendary guitarist with no experience using the piano before was asked to play a complex piece on a piano, he/she probably can't play it well as it requires finger dexeterity and strength.
Know your in and outs with your tool, feel it, sleep with it, carass it and by then you will know how to overcome its limitations or go around it.
everyone's talking about different things here, some composition, some IQ, some capability of camera in challenging scenarios... etc
so i guess there won't be any answer to this argument.
I think this phrase is an equivalenace to "Last time Ma Ta wear shorts", its just way overused.
I think there is some truth in it, but it is not the absolute truth. In my opinion, there are a couple of groups of people whom uses this phrase
1) People who knows absolutely nothing but think that by using this phrase, it will help to cover their shortcomings or lack of knowledge.
This is a cool thing to say and by saying this, "at least I dont come across as knowing nothing about photography"
2) People who worked their socks off to gain the vast amount of knowledge that they process and by saying in their face that the equipment makes all the difference, "you are undermining my skill set and crediting all my good work to the equipment"
3) And the 3rd is group is, well, they just say it because it is diplomatically the right thing to say.
4) Sad to say, this last group is just jealous
For me, A PnS in the hands of a professional will yield better result then a D3X or whatever top range camera in my hands. But in the hands of an absoulte amatuer like me, A DSLR out of the box will definitely yield better result then a PNS.
If it is really the man behind the camera and not the equipment, at least a good part of it, then why aren't all "professional" holding Canon Ixus , Fujifile F series, or Nikon PnS, it should yield good results , right? then why spend tons of money on huge DSLR, then why upgrade?
A good DSLR dont make a good photographer, I agree, but it definitely processes more tools then a PnS for one to learn to be one.