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    Default Thirsty Hippo warning

    I just found out.

    The Hard Way. Ouch!

    Warning - Thirsty Hippo moisture absorbing chemical packs if left for long periods will leak from the packaging.

    The chemical is very corrosive and marks anything with a dark irremovable stain.

    It damaged two pairs of my unused brand new shoes.

    If you leave your expensive camera equipment with the stuff......

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    How does it leak from the packaging? The housing is quite thick plastic right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    How does it leak from the packaging? The housing is quite thick plastic right?
    Yeah, exactly? How does it leak? I don't use thirsty hippo, but the NTUC ones. Works fine for my books etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    The chemical is very corrosive and marks anything with a dark irremovable stain.
    The so called "corrosive chemical" used in thirsty hippo is in fact actually just calcium chloride (CaCl2), a form of anhydrous common salt, it is also extremely hygroscopic and reacts with water (H2O) to form...

    CaCl2 + 2 H2O → CaCl22H2O

    ... salt water, otherwise AKA brine.


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    Removing salt stain on shoes, hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    CaCl2 + 2 H2O → CaCl22H2O
    wow dude! I gotta applaud you for the chemistry equation!

    I cant even remember what those stand for already I was an ultimate failure at chem lessons

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    Default Re: Thirsty Hippo warning

    normal salt is Sodium Chloride, NaCl, not Calcium Chloride CaCl2 though
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    calcium chloride (CaCl2), a form of anhydrous common salt,
    Quote Originally Posted by zcf View Post
    normal salt is Sodium Chloride, NaCl, not Calcium Chloride CaCl2 though
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    Calcium chloride, CaCl2, is a common salt. It behaves as a typical ionic halide, and is solid at room temperature. It has several common applications such as brine for refrigeration plants, ice and dust control on roads, and in concrete.
    common =/= normal!

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    Ya, also notice if you put it too long and it's inside become liquid and tend to leak if you tilt it.
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    Actually becoming liquid is the end result of a thirsty hippo, and is no indication that it has been put "too long".

    But yes, with all thirsty hippos, come the risk of tilting and having the liquid fall out. That said, I still can't quite understand how it will leak if left sitting properly upright.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaweb View Post
    Ya, also notice if you put it too long and it's inside become liquid and tend to leak if you tilt it.

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    Actually, If it is properly sealed where moisture cannot enter, it will not turn liquid no matter how long it have been kept..

    Quote Originally Posted by megaweb View Post
    Ya, also notice if you put it too long and it's inside become liquid and tend to leak if you tilt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limsgp View Post
    Actually, If it is properly sealed where moisture cannot enter, it will not turn liquid no matter how long it have been kept..
    i thought it does?

    if not it absorbs the water, what happens to the water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    How does it leak from the packaging? The housing is quite thick plastic right?
    The plastic will crack after a while.. Especially if you get the 3rd party ones. My wife places them in disposable PP containers before putting them in the cupboard because they have leaked before. I have never recommended these for photographic equipment. Best is a dry cabinet or new generation green-orange indicating silica gel. The blue-pink indicating silica gels are potentially carcinogenic because of the cobalt chloride used as the indicator.
    Last edited by lsisaxon; 24th August 2009 at 05:42 PM.

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    Eh, if it is so sealed such that moisture cannot enter, then how will it do its job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Limsgp View Post
    Actually, If it is properly sealed where moisture cannot enter, it will not turn liquid no matter how long it have been kept..

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    Oh.. I guess I have mis-read the question. Under normal usage, yes, it has to be exposed to the environment (via porous cover) for it to do its job. And it will absorb so much water such that it will dissolve in the absorbed water.

    When he said "if put too long", I misread it as "if kept too long (without usage and w/o exposure to the atmosphere) during storage". my mistake..


    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    i thought it does?

    if not it absorbs the water, what happens to the water?


    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Eh, if it is so sealed such that moisture cannot enter, then how will it do its job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    How does it leak from the packaging? The housing is quite thick plastic right?
    I was using the ones in sachet form. Not the ones in a plastic box.
    Actually it may not be Thirsty Hippo brand at all.

    (Can Moderator change the Title to : Moisture Absorbing Chemical Sachet warning)

    I bought mine from a place -- maybe Daiso. It had Japanese or Korean instructions that I could not understand.

    So it was my fault actually. For not using the product in the right way. It was not the product's fault. I surfed and found out that I should only use it for 6 weeks. Then take it out and throw. But I left it in shoe box for 1 year 8 months.

    I don't know how it leaked. This is my guess: It leaked because the chemical in the plastic sachet is hygroscopic. It keeps absorbing moisture....the chemical inside turns to liquid and swells. It reaches a point where liquid pressure is so great that it bursts the plastic lining of the sachet at the sides. Then the liquid mix of water and chemical flows out.

    I decided to throw away my brand new unused Hush Puppies shoes. Thought over it a while....if I insist to wear the shoes. The chemical will be infused into the leather. It will penetrate the socks easily and contact the skin on my feet. For hours everyday.

    Asking for trouble, right?

    Will it lead to some nasty (extremely expensive to treat and painful) skin aliment?
    Don't know. Never take such unnecessary risks. Chuck the shoes.

    I surfed and found out that others have also experienced leaks.
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    Last edited by ricohflex; 24th August 2009 at 09:41 PM.

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    calcium chloride is pretty harmless bah.. unless of course you fiddle too much with the anhydride..

    its in food.. dumped into swimming pools and all that.. just to regulate the calcium content of anything...
    pedantic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Will it lead to some nasty (extremely expensive to treat and painful) skin aliment?
    Don't know. Never take such unnecessary risks. Chuck the shoes.
    Not unless your skin is allergic or sensitive to salt, calcium chloride (CaCl2) is also used as a form of food addictive.
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    Default Re: Thirsty Hippo warning

    there may be a chance that the substance used is CaO (quicklime)? If that is the case, the substance will be corrosive.

    In any case, just flushing with water should get rid of the chemicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    The so called "corrosive chemical" used in thirsty hippo is in fact actually just calcium chloride (CaCl2), a form of anhydrous common salt, it is also extremely hygroscopic and reacts with water (H2O) to form...

    CaCl2 + 2 H2O → CaCl22H2O

    ... salt water, otherwise AKA brine.


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    Removing salt stain on shoes, hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limsgp View Post
    there may be a chance that the substance used is CaO (quicklime)?
    Nope, it is clearly stated on the packaging "100% calcium chloride".
    Last edited by 9V-Orion Images; 25th August 2009 at 08:49 AM.
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