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    I realise alot of us understand that its the person behind the camera that matters most of the time. But this time round TS question is which model is better for wedding photography rite? Jus a general question to all here, no offence.

    Wud u hire a pro to shoot ur wedding with a PNS or prosumer? Or someone who cant really take as good photo compare to the pro, but he sure got HUGE equipment (another words looking pro hehe.)
    For me i wud say its a difficult choice. But still choose the later. Face issue here.

    Rmb do take into consideration what will ur guest think of ur wedding?

    Guest: Eh, where is ur photographer huh?
    You: ___________.


    Hope u guys get what i am trying to say here.
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    Why dont I even the odds for you; would you hire Pro A using a PnS or Pro A using a D3x / 1DsMKII?

    If the person is the only thing that matters, you won't mind going for the PnS right?



    Quote Originally Posted by ChenGuy View Post
    I realise alot of us understand that its the person behind the camera that matters most of the time. But this time round TS question is which model is better for wedding photography rite? Jus a general question to all here, no offence.

    Wud u hire a pro to shoot ur wedding with a PNS or prosumer? Or someone who cant really take as good photo compare to the pro, but he sure got HUGE equipment (another words looking pro hehe.)
    For me i wud say its a difficult choice. But still choose the later. Face issue here.

    Rmb do take into consideration what will ur guest think of ur wedding?

    Guest: Eh, where is ur photographer huh?
    You: ___________.


    Hope u guys get what i am trying to say here.

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    D5000 should be good enough for wedding photography, you may just need a good set of lens and that's all. I've seen plenty of wedding photos taken with a Pentax DSLR and Pentax don't make full frames at the moment, they all look very good, even ones with a K200D. This guy right here shoots a Pentax www.conordoherty.com

    APS-C sensors are very underrated by people who own full frames. Sure full frames are better but that doesn't keep the APS-C sensors from being beasts, D5000 is good enough for wedding photography. Like I said, a good set of lens is what matters most, and will suit you fine for wedding photography if you have a good set. You'll also need to post process good for the pictures to come out looking nice too. Composition and post processing ability will help a lot in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenGuy View Post
    I realise alot of us understand that its the person behind the camera that matters most of the time. But this time round TS question is which model is better for wedding photography rite? Jus a general question to all here, no offence.

    Wud u hire a pro to shoot ur wedding with a PNS or prosumer? Or someone who cant really take as good photo compare to the pro, but he sure got HUGE equipment (another words looking pro hehe.)
    For me i wud say its a difficult choice. But still choose the later. Face issue here.

    Rmb do take into consideration what will ur guest think of ur wedding?

    Guest: Eh, where is ur photographer huh?
    You: ___________.


    Hope u guys get what i am trying to say here.
    Actually, it makes more sense to compare portfolios instead.

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    why debating about camera body??? my view : camera body just a tool, the one using the tool is the photographer. You need to understand your tool, and handle your tool well to make good use of the tool. If you know 80% of your tool, i think you will be very good. The end product (photo) is just the creation of the photographer using the tool call camera.
    In old time before camera invented, ppl use paint and canvas to create thier art be it potraits or landscape. Comparing camera body is like comparing what kind of canvas (paper) and colour material (pastel, oil paint, water colour, colour pencil). If you are not a good painter even you have the best canvas, best water colour do you think you can create good art??

    But on the other side, arts are very subjective to individual. Just like some ppl with wife, they always think that thier wife is the best in the world (only when the time they merried??) lol
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    D5000 is good enough, but it can be better if you have faster lenses and flash.

    To define a "good" photo is not very easy. For me, every camera/modern handphone can take a good and "not-so-fast-pace" moment photo under good lighting; but when it comes to poor lighting with fast pace moment, I do believe equipment does matter.

    Please don't argue that it's the man behind the camera to produce a good photo... there's always limitation to some of the types of photos that we would like to achieve, maybe not majority of it... but there are always some of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenGuy View Post
    I realise alot of us understand that its the person behind the camera that matters most of the time. But this time round TS question is which model is better for wedding photography rite? Jus a general question to all here, no offence.

    Wud u hire a pro to shoot ur wedding with a PNS or prosumer? Or someone who cant really take as good photo compare to the pro, but he sure got HUGE equipment (another words looking pro hehe.)
    For me i wud say its a difficult choice. But still choose the later. Face issue here.

    Rmb do take into consideration what will ur guest think of ur wedding?

    Guest: Eh, where is ur photographer huh?
    You: ___________.


    Hope u guys get what i am trying to say here.
    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Why dont I even the odds for you; would you hire Pro A using a PnS or Pro A using a D3x / 1DsMKII?

    If the person is the only thing that matters, you won't mind going for the PnS right?


    I'm not sure but will customer actually knows what the photographer is using until the big day?

    For me, I know that I will screw the photographer if he turns up with a PnS, even though I'm constantly brainwashed here that "a Pro with a PnS can be better than a noob with a Pro camera." (I already won't be song that he's earning my money with cheap tools, no matter how good his pics will be)

    So no need to guess what the normal consumer will choose. But most of them can only differentiate DSLR vs non-DSLR, so the model might not be as important as long as u got the confidence to do well.

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    from observation...people tend to be at awe with the wedding photographer with the biggest and baddest kit....it will trigger a response in their brain that this guy is Pro..

    to the TS...as long as its a dslr(d40,10d, k20d, k7,d50, etc..)..i think in my opinion is...its capable for wedding shoots..u will sooner or later find out its limitations and advantages...

    i'm still using a 20d and so far onli taken 2 engagements(yes..guilty of not posting them up..but i dun think they are really post-worthy..still learning u see)..

    every photographer is different...knowing how well your current kit perform when u are using it would actually help your shopping list alot..

    for example..i was so cooped up on high iso performance and that slowly moved towards faster and faster lens..

    some photographers like ultra-wide angle lenses..and some like telephotos...so far for me in my very very slow evolution...i prefer faster and faster lenses.

    and that i think is 20% of the fight...the other 80%(should i give a heavier weightage) is really you...everyone is different...everyone sees it differently...everyone tells a story differently...

    its wrong to say that everything is due to the camera...and its also partly wrong to say that skill rules all....

    good lenses do sometimes save u but not always...

    know what you have...know its limitations...to me..as long as that mirror can flip up..i think its more than suitable to do the job..it is a matter of preference..

    and me..i am guilty of not shooting enuff...which i really really wanna get out of..

    the best thing is to shoot as much as possible with whatever u have...know what your camera can and cannot do...
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    Why cannot a d5000 take good photos? If you asked me? All dslr can be use for wedding.
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    What happened to the TS? Has he sold off his D5000 for D3X yet???
    Exploring! :)

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    To most if not all people out there who's not familiar with SLR photography, the different models, FF or not full frame,
    Nikon or Canon or Pentax, f2.8 or f4.0, all these means nothing to them at all.

    When I attended weddings before I took up photography, I don't even bother much about the camera man or what
    gears he is using. A SLR is a SLR, all looks pro to me.

    What I'm interested is, the photos I see during the reception, and the photos I see after the wedding. That's what
    matters the most in wedding photography IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    What happened to the TS? Has he sold off his D5000 for D3X yet???
    He never contact me leh. I told him I want to buy his D5000. :P

    BTW, ZerocoolAstra bro, thanks for your comments at that 'other' newbie thread. Appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuccessEnroute View Post
    i am not asking that a noobie must get what camera to take wedding shoots, pls dont mix 2 questions together, ok? i am asking what camera is good enough to take quality wedding shoots? Pls open your eyes and read carefully.

    this is so win win win

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuccessEnroute View Post
    simple... pro dont need dslr at all, they can just use normal digital camera, that is the conclusion from the all the posts.

    I didnt say i dont want to brush up my skills, i only ask a simple question, what is a good model for freelance photographer to take good wedding shoots. I never ask for anything else that is not related to my questions and tonnes of u all kept posting irrelevant to my questions.

    why cant u all just say whether d5000 good enuff or just other models better and comment on this rather on what pro skill or no skill. look at daredevil, he is giving good comments, i appreciate this type of comments, not those type of useless ones. There are just some senior member who like to go around forums and kwai lan with noobies.

    Yes i am a noobie but i didnt say i want to start immediately to charge pple for it. I am just merely asking a simple question, the camera model good enuff for wedding, thats it. why do u need to care about my skill or not, over the time i definitely go and brush up and improve my skills, that is no doubt about it and common sense about it. I am not here to just ask questions and forget about it, i am serious in this,thats y i ask for advice and look what i get from u all??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuccessEnroute View Post
    dont put me in the examples ( i never quote myself in the example i gave), i am saying considered all the drivers are f1 trained, and schumacher is driving van, will he still win?? u all got to understand, u are not the only photographer around, u must stand out from the rest in order to survive. Yes i believe skills do play an important part but what good if u can only use mediocore camaras that can never give good quality images? I had tried some digital camaras, no matter how i take, the quality of the images sucks, so many pixelated dots or the image is not clear at all or blurry, so with this type of camara, will a pro will a very good skillset create quality photo images???
    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    lol...

    here is one thread using p&s..

    you want to see more p&s wedding photos, i can dig...
    But this time round I can't agree with you anymore..
    I see there are good portrait photographers here who are using d80 and their photos are still as good as a photographer using higher rank model cameras.
    And base on what night86mare has supported..
    I but to ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by unseen View Post
    LOL....
    none of those "skills" will help you take a better photo.

    As for which camera is "good" enough, catchlight's answer was good enough for most people, it's just that you're not able to understand it.

    It's just like photography: A good photographer will know the limits of the camera, work around failings and capture his "good enough" shots. A noob won't know the capabilities of the camera, wouldn't know how to maximise the equipment, and as a result none of their shots will be "good enough".

    To a wedding couple, there'll be no camera good enough for wedding shots from a noob, and shots from a pro will be good enough irregardless of the equipment.
    Omg this is the best reply I read in this thread.
    I always know and will remember the bold parts of what you have said.
    Thanks!

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    Just as there are higher level photographers using lower end equipment and still producing better output that lower level photogrpahers using higher end eqiupment; the converse is also true. There are occassions where lower level photographers using higher end equipment producing better results than a higher level photographer using low end equipment. Both the person and the tools matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LomoPhotographer View Post
    But this time round I can't agree with you anymore..
    I see there are good portrait photographers here who are using d80 and their photos are still as good as a photographer using higher rank model cameras.
    And base on what night86mare has supported..
    I but to ..
    You mean whether is the set of image really taken from a PnS?

    here is the Exif taken from the images in the thread night86mare mention about, shot by zaren
    Exif IFD0

    * Camera Make = FUJIFILM
    * Camera Model = FinePix F100fd
    * Picture Orientation = normal (1)
    * Last Modified Date/Time = 2009:07:18 11:34:09

    Exif Sub IFD

    * Exposure Time (1 / Shutter Speed) = 10/1800 second ===> 1/180 second ===> 0.00556 second
    * Lens F-Number / F-Stop = 330/100 ===> /3.3
    * ISO Speed Ratings = 400
    * Original Date/Time = 2009:07:18 11:34:09
    * Shutter Speed Value (APEX) = 754/100
    Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/186.11 second
    * Aperture Value (APEX) = 340/100
    Aperture = /3.25
    * Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
    * Focal Length = 640/100 mm ===> 6.4 mm
    * Image Width = 602 pixels
    * Image Height = 477 pixels
    this is a photo of FinePix F100fd

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    To be fair HeiPiGu, he did mentioned that he and his pro friend could not get good pictures out of his newly acquired D5000.

    Relac hor... just pointing it out...
    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    ehhh??? Now become Lumix liao ar?
    lol assumptions again. :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    You mean whether is the set of image really taken from a PnS?

    here is the Exif taken from the images in the thread night86mare mention about, shot by zaren
    oh no no, i mean i couldn agree with TS anymore.
    all along i know and strongly believe that there are still good photographers using mid-range models.
    please dont mis-understand haha

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