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    singapore soccer is a joke.... looking at where our government funds for sports are being pumped into core sports like soccer while the sport stagnates.. there's nothing good to even comment.

    (hello... can our stadium 'finally' be torn down?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by waderbreak View Post
    singapore soccer is a joke.... looking at where our government funds for sports are being pumped into core sports like soccer while the sport stagnates.. there's nothing good to even comment.

    (hello... can our stadium 'finally' be torn down?)
    Totally agree with you.. when is our new stadium going to be built??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    I remember taking photos of a newly completed building in town from across the street ans I was stopped. I told the guard I was taking photos of the sky and his building was in the way. Can you move your building? I got a blank look and moved on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitan View Post
    Are you an ang mo ? If so, very sure this sort of thing will not happen to you.
    Not really true. I've seen ang mohs getting stopped for taking photos with dSLR.

    These threads are the reason why I rather get a EP-1 instead of dSLRs.

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    I have been told to not take photos many many many many times before.Both in Singapore and overseas. Maybe it is discrimination just because I have a big DSLR. Just tell the security guard or angry old man etc. that they have no right to stop you.If they persist, I usually just ignore them.

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    Last December I had to fortune of watching Spurs vs Man U at White Hart Lane. Had a DSLR with me, but with short lens. I just wanted to capture the atmosphere, but one of the stewards approached me and (quite nicely) told me exactly the same thing: Your camera looks very "professional", and the players on the pitch generally don't like to have their picture taken. I guess so lah. I mean, if someone takes picture of C.Ronaldo, Park Ji Sung, Robbie Keane, Aaron Lennon, etc and sell for $1000 each, it's not very fair, right?

    So I guess Sengkang Punggol, Gombak United or FAS were just trying to prevent the same thing happening to their players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by synapseman View Post
    Last December I had to fortune of watching Spurs vs Man U at White Hart Lane. Had a DSLR with me, but with short lens. I just wanted to capture the atmosphere, but one of the stewards approached me and (quite nicely) told me exactly the same thing: Your camera looks very "professional", and the players on the pitch generally don't like to have their picture taken. I guess so lah. I mean, if someone takes picture of C.Ronaldo, Park Ji Sung, Robbie Keane, Aaron Lennon, etc and sell for $1000 each, it's not very fair, right?

    So I guess Sengkang Punggol, Gombak United or FAS were just trying to prevent the same thing happening to their players?
    Professional soccer is a sport that is played in public and which is 100% depending on public interest. If one of those players starts thinking along the line that the public (read: visitors who pay entrance fees and finally also a portion of the salary) cannot take a picture of him during a game I'd recommend a mental health check.
    The other side of the coin are the exclusive rights for images and broadcasting which can be given to a certain media company. If such a contract exists then usually the tickets or T&C of the event will have the respective clauses. If nothing is stated then the soccer game is a public event similar to NDP or any marketing show of local radio stations.
    Another aspect is the question of the rules of the house. There have been plenty of discussions about this (Shooting in Shopping Malls). The owner / operator of the stadium can set a general rule of "No photography". Again, it needs to be stated clearly (at tickets, signs etc) otherwise it's a breach of contract (see posting of vince123123).
    I know it needs some guts to face security guards but as long as it is done in polite but firm manner there's nothing wrong. Never shy away or be submissive just because of a uniform, it doesn't give the permission to break the laws.

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    Aiyo tell them "hey you see D90 is just an entry level. D3 's the flagship pro". Next time bring along the Nikon DSLR catalogue and explain to them the models lineup. So yours not condsidered pro.

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    Cover the brand label with a sticker "Non-Pro"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Cover the brand label with a sticker "Non-Pro"
    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    Aiyo tell them "hey you see D90 is just an entry level. D3 's the flagship pro". Next time bring along the Nikon DSLR catalogue and explain to them the models lineup. So yours not condsidered pro.
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    the reason for not allowing it is probably because they are afraid that the pictures might be sold for profit, etc, without FAS's knowledge, which is unfair to the media personnel who have the proper accreditation, as photos are also considered as 'media'.

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    How about shopping centre? I was recently stopped by a security personnel no taking of photos. I was not interested to take the crowded LP as I was testing the lens I just bought by focussing on some wordings on some banners. Not wanting to argue, I left quietly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mindfulness View Post
    How about shopping centre? I was recently stopped by a security personnel no taking of photos. I was not interested to take the crowded LP as I was testing the lens I just bought by focussing on some wordings on some banners. Not wanting to argue, I left quietly.
    they are just afraid of terrorism i guess?....just like no picture in MRT station and those government building....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deunamist View Post
    the reason for not allowing it is probably because they are afraid that the pictures might be sold for profit, etc, without FAS's knowledge, which is unfair to the media personnel who have the proper accreditation, as photos are also considered as 'media'.
    Hi just to communicate a little about photos for commercial use. Any buyers who are going to use it for business or commercial knows better photos with faces of people even if its general public they have to obtain signed model release without the risk of these people coming to them demanding for why their photos are published commercially without their permission. Only faces of famous people, politician, celebrities and so on may be allowed to be used for editorial purposes.

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    These officials, especially those from the FAS are really stupid and they do not know anything about marketing. Like what Eddy said, who actually go and watch the S-league?

    Vote by not attending any more such games ....
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    The OP said to the grounds people that he only wanted to take shots of the arena and not the game itself, then when they're not around complained and took shots of the game anyway. If you are trying to shoot photos like a pro at a media funded event then expect to be stopped.
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    Just to share some of my own experience, I was walking in Biopolis and taking photo with my D300 and 80-200. Was stopped by the guard, and he told me that I cannot take photos within Biopolis. Not even on the road. Was damn pissed off. So I kept my cam and walked towards my friend. That guy continued to monitor me as I walked back. I was even more pissed off now. So I pretended to talk to my friend for a minute, pointed towards the direction of the guard, talk a bit more and then ran back towards him....

    I told him nicely that my friend is a lawyer and I asked him whether taking photographs within Biopolis is allowed and he said yes. The guard insisted no. So I asked him for his management number and called them on the spot using the phone there. I asked who was I talking to, remembered his name and questioned why they never put up "No photography" sign within Biopolis. They said I needed a media pass. WTF, so I asked" Is it ok that I write to Straits Times to clarify whether Mr XXXX is correct is saying that I cannot take photos within ST". Straight away, he told me to wait while he asked his management for approval.

    I walked off, still pissed and thinking how to write the letter to Straits Time, and even before the first 3 lines were formed. The guy told me that I can have the media pass and can take photos whenever I want. Yes! 1-0.

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    Which country's laws are you referring to? This may be true in the US, but is very unlikely to be true in Singapore.

    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    Hi just to communicate a little about photos for commercial use. Any buyers who are going to use it for business or commercial knows better photos with faces of people even if its general public they have to obtain signed model release without the risk of these people coming to them demanding for why their photos are published commercially without their permission. Only faces of famous people, politician, celebrities and so on may be allowed to be used for editorial purposes.

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    Great work Put those guards in their place! The trick of making these people/guards personally liable and their personal names on the line; alwasy works!


    Quote Originally Posted by castwind View Post
    Just to share some of my own experience, I was walking in Biopolis and taking photo with my D300 and 80-200. Was stopped by the guard, and he told me that I cannot take photos within Biopolis. Not even on the road. Was damn pissed off. So I kept my cam and walked towards my friend. That guy continued to monitor me as I walked back. I was even more pissed off now. So I pretended to talk to my friend for a minute, pointed towards the direction of the guard, talk a bit more and then ran back towards him....

    I told him nicely that my friend is a lawyer and I asked him whether taking photographs within Biopolis is allowed and he said yes. The guard insisted no. So I asked him for his management number and called them on the spot using the phone there. I asked who was I talking to, remembered his name and questioned why they never put up "No photography" sign within Biopolis. They said I needed a media pass. WTF, so I asked" Is it ok that I write to Straits Times to clarify whether Mr XXXX is correct is saying that I cannot take photos within ST". Straight away, he told me to wait while he asked his management for approval.

    I walked off, still pissed and thinking how to write the letter to Straits Time, and even before the first 3 lines were formed. The guy told me that I can have the media pass and can take photos whenever I want. Yes! 1-0.

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    From my knowledge as a former S.League club helper, yes, you're not allowed to take photos "of the match" using a DSLR..
    (Security were told to tell people off when they see them using "pro" cameras)

    There was once, a guy was using a DSLR, mounted with a wide-angle lens, taking photos for 2 of his friends, using the Jalan Besar stadium as the "background".
    He was also told not take photos of the match..

    I think that they know there is some "negotiations" on the pitch that they don't want people to know..
    That's why they don't allow such "pro" cameras to be there, which we may "coincidentally" take photos that may be evidence.

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