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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT ONG View Post
    History repeats itself again and again .. most photos in CS will be leeched and post at SB .. no doubts about that.
    But looking at the nature of SammyBoy, what they want over there is sleaze yah...
    you mean to say that even photos of buildings, cats, dogs lah all will be leeched?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limwhow View Post
    But looking at the nature of SammyBoy, what they want over there is sleaze yah...
    you mean to say that even photos of buildings, cats, dogs lah all will be leeched?
    If you understood what I meant ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT ONG View Post
    If you understood what I meant ...
    No wonder all our fellows over here at CS are super enthusiastic about water-marking their photos... even newbies do that.
    But I guess, the best we can do is to keep working at CS to maintain it as a righteous forum for serious photography exchanges and discussions.

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    I think it would be good if someone could inform ed/edmodels/artemis/etc of the existence of this thread and whether he has anything to say in response.

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    Default Re: Title: An Organizer whom does not Honor his Words.

    history repeating again...

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    Care to share some of this "history" you are referring to? Are you referring to Artemis? Or other people doing the same thing? or?

    Best to give more details to avoid collateral damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon_84 View Post
    history repeating again...

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    *tsk tsk* ... i'm a newbie to CS .. wanna know more and learn about photography ... and running to this post ... seeing how organizers can be so sleazy?... don't think this is a very good impression of CS.. how can an organizer back out on his words and not tell the model/gals where the location is already happening, but in fact all along say it was somewhere else just to bring the gal to the place... worst part... last minute called and never pay up accordingly ... very bad .. make it even worse?.. this organizer seems to be very well known in the sammyboy forum... got curious and went to the site to take a look .. wow!.. what's he trying to do?.. turn CS to a sammyboy forum?... really bad... hope he can explain why he did such a thing.. and why the original two models never show up on him... and from wat many of the bros/sis' in what i have read.. he's got some sort of history... not good at all ....
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    Are these nicks still valid? Went to take a look and can't find any users in that site with those nicks.

    Quote Originally Posted by DSLRcainiao View Post
    yup..his old nick is moon and now modelX..verify the email address and u will know..

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiker View Post
    *tsk tsk* ... i'm a newbie to CS .. wanna know more and learn about photography ... and running to this post ... seeing how organizers can be so sleazy?... don't think this is a very good impression of CS.. how can an organizer back out on his words and not tell the model/gals where the location is already happening, but in fact all along say it was somewhere else just to bring the gal to the place... worst part... last minute called and never pay up accordingly ... very bad .. make it even worse?.. this organizer seems to be very well known in the sammyboy forum... got curious and went to the site to take a look .. wow!.. what's he trying to do?.. turn CS to a sammyboy forum?... really bad... hope he can explain why he did such a thing.. and why the original two models never show up on him... and from wat many of the bros/sis' in what i have read.. he's got some sort of history... not good at all ....
    Did you register a new nik just to post this comment ... or are you really a newbie ???

    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Are these nicks still valid? Went to take a look and can't find any users in that site with those nicks.
    AFAIK ... ModelX is still a valid nick on that site ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Thai Bean View Post
    Did you register a new nik just to post this comment ... or are you really a newbie ???
    I think he might be a competitor trying to eliminate competition

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    i am a newbie... i just registered a few months back .. haven really had time to look around CS ...now and then got login ... surfing around ... looking around ... don't have too much time due to work ... but still would like to know more about photography ...

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    i'm not eliminating competition lei.. i'm not an organizer ... i wanna learn how to take photos...

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    well OT aside ... (sammyboy and elimination of competetion)

    I think the issue here still remains that there wer some "mis-communication" with the models and maybe even the photographers.

    Just wondering if any of the other photographers who attended the shoot has anything to add or comment. Maybe from the communication between the organiser and the various photogs, we can hope to glimpse a better picture of what happened.
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    This Thead is Created to Show Awareness to all, Especially for NewBie Models, to prevent being con again.
    Learned from Other Models, they have Similar Experiences too.
    If we remain Silent, there is No Surprise that this issue will Not be Repeated again.
    Its Time, for us, the Models to stand up for Our Right!.

    Receive Artemis's SMS (Today, 3.42pm)
    Tracy I want to clarify the issue with you. There was am outdoor shoot before the indoor shoot and as for posting, I did PM to emptyform for approval first but he posted it before he replied my PM.


    To Ed,
    All the While, I know you are in this Thread watching on this issue silently.
    If you want to clarify this issue, do post up and explain to Everyone in the Thread.
    Any Outdoor shoots, Time and Date will be indicated at the pics. Do ask the Photographers to share with All of us.
    From your SMS, you mentioned that you have PM emptyform. Do Show us your evidence by taking a Snapshot (Not copy and paste method) and Post it up as part of your Explanation.


    Its Time for you to Do All the Explanation at this Thread Now.

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    Sure will not appear one. $10! Lai ah!

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    One thing I like about the TS's posts is the good use of colours; makes the posts nice and readable and colourful

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    Hi Tracy;

    I am one of the photographer that attended the 25 July 2009 photoshoot organised by Artemis.

    I notice this thread and would like to clarify something:

    1) there is an outdoor shoot. click the link below.

    start of outdoor shoot at Lesalle at around 1007am
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/happyra...in/photostream

    end of outdoor shoot at Lesalle at around 1034am kena chase away by security guards, seem like need permission
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/happyra...in/photostream

    2) I don't remember any request not to post any photo on CS. i remember you have requested us to PM you the link. anyway have not started editing the photos so no chance to upload to my flickr acc. yet. when done will PM you for permission to post at CS with the link from my flickr acc.

    3) hope Artemis and you resolve the misunderstanding

    happyranchu

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrephoto View Post
    No doubt this is bad publicity for an organiser... Especially when sammyboy forums get pulled into the picture.
    WTH!! SammyBoy also organise shoot here in CS?
    I think that this is bad for the shoot orgainsers here in CS.

    Hope such thing will cease.

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    Default Re: Title: An Organizer whom does not Honor his Words.

    I'm sure in due time another awareness thread will surface again, as there will always be a complainant and a mastermind and of course more shady villains (there's a few more, if u know what's really going on and why).

    It's not that much on sammyboy or clubsnap, just individual & miscreants, suffice to say, you can't blame it on clubsnap.

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    Reply to Tracy :

    The last reply in Private Message between Emptyform and me was as follows (downloaded in XML format) :
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    - <!-- ClubSNAP Photography Forums;http://www.clubsnap.com/forums
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    - <!-- Private Message Dump for User Artemis; 29th July 2009 01:12 AM
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    - <privatemessages>
    - <folder name="Inbox">
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    <datestamp>2009-07-27 21:17</datestamp>
    <title>Re: 25th morning shoot</title>
    <fromuser>emptyform</fromuser>
    <fromuserid>93522</fromuserid>
    <touser>Artemis</touser>
    - <message>
    - <![CDATA[
    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis
    Quote Originally Posted by emptyform
    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis
    Quote Originally Posted by emptyform
    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis
    hey thanks for 25th shoot support. btw, you can post juan pics under portraits section but put me artemis as organiser.
    thanks
    thanks! can also post tracey's?
    for tracy pls pm me the pic link first for her approval before posting.
    here they are:

    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550060

    cheers,
    emptyform
    tracy make noise when you already posted the pics before approval
    apologies, didn't know that need her prior approval, if she doesn't like them to be posted, let me know, i will have them removed.

    cheers,
    emptyform

    ]]>
    </message>
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    </folder>
    </privatemessages>


    Let me explain the sequence of event that took place that day.
    The photoshoot event was of a 2 part series in which the first hour was a fashion theme outdoor and the other is a lingerie theme indoor. As the group of photographers turn up early on 25th July morning I were informed that the main model was unable to attend and the second model was sick, so had to call Juan which was the backup model for the day. And also later called Tracey coz as there are 7 pax in the group, it was better to have 2 models in which the group agreed. The first model Juan arrive late, so the first part of the photoshoot started at almost 10am.
    At about 10:30am the group decided to do the indoor theme which is at a nearby hotel. Checkin to first room and started almost at 1045am and continue fashion shoot for remaining half hour for Juan. Tracey arrived and i pay the cab fare for her. I then checkin the second room and split the group into 2 with 4 pax in the bigger room and 3 pax in the smaller room. One room with Juan doing lingerie theme and second room with Tracey doing uniform / sexy outfits theme. After half hour, the models swap room. Due to some break time and delay the shoot may seem like 1.5 hours and instead of 1 hour in the room.
    After the shoot, pay the respective models and I thought everything was settled.

    I did SMS you to try to clear the misunderstanding but you didnt reply to me.

    If the photographer who claims that there is only indoor shoot held, can Tracey you tell me who he is so as to clear the misunderstanding?

    As far as the pics were posted by Emptyform, I had already downloaded for your reference and shown in this post. I can ask him to reply in this thread should you want him to do so.

    I sincerely apologised for what has happened and don't hestitate to contact me if you feel that I did not honour my words. I am willing to top up $20 more if the time has exceeded your hour to 1.5 hour.

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