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    Quote Originally Posted by icestrike View Post
    okay, now i'm confused
    please excuse me
    so in other words, most likely, is still illegal if one is creatin a video with music, for its own use? and showcase to his guest?

    in other words, no commercial value was involved.
    hmm...

    anyone kana fine b4? on such matters ? be it for commercial use, or personal use? etc?
    Yes, it's illegal. About 5 - 6 years ago, there were a couple of videographers created some
    MTV style of video play it during the opening of the wedding dinner. They were slapped
    with fines and some sort of warning.

    Since then these videographers have been using royalty free music.

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    Just to differentiate "illegal vs civil liability" and "fines vs damages (or even settlement sums; which are not even damages)". The former refers to criminal offences; the later refers to civil rights enforced by commercial rights holders. I doubt any of the above cases were criminal; there are very few criminally related IP reported cases in Singapore; much less those of such small proportions.

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    thank you all for your reply
    getting a clearer picture bout such issue now.
    what about march-in songs? is by the couple, and is also broadcasting to the public right?

    i think in the end whether is unlucky to get spotted out by someone from the agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icestrike View Post
    thank you all for your reply
    getting a clearer picture bout such issue now.
    what about march-in songs? is by the couple, and is also broadcasting to the public right?

    i think in the end whether is unlucky to get spotted out by someone from the agency.
    I think march-in probably applies the same rules, and yah one would be so unlucky to be slapped with a fine or summons on the wedding day itself. But i guess most would be bit lenient on an auspicious event, imagine the witch-hunt by friends and relatives if there was a scene there and then during the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Just to differentiate "illegal vs civil liability" and "fines vs damages (or even settlement sums; which are not even damages)". The former refers to criminal offences; the later refers to civil rights enforced by commercial rights holders. I doubt any of the above cases were criminal; there are very few criminally related IP reported cases in Singapore; much less those of such small proportions.
    Agreed.

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    just heard from friends recently abt this stupid copyright issue still carrys. would like to confirm is only songs (as in voice singing) consider "illegal"? if simply just music (w/o ppl singing) still need the so-called "rights" to use for video highlight?

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    I think before you call something stupid, you should try to understand it first. I'm not sure where you get the idea you can dissect things this way. In any case, the music still has copyright.

    Quote Originally Posted by cdxing View Post
    just heard from friends recently abt this stupid copyright issue still carrys. would like to confirm is only songs (as in voice singing) consider "illegal"? if simply just music (w/o ppl singing) still need the so-called "rights" to use for video highlight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    I think before you call something stupid, you should try to understand it first. I'm not sure where you get the idea you can dissect things this way. In any case, the music still has copyright.
    i'm quite fed up with this kind of rules and i believe no one will be happy with it. i'm calling it stupid is bcos i dont like to see ppl getting fined on their big day. let's put it in this way; they are paying money for videographer to shoot on the morning & played it during dinner time. this video montage is meant to be played for their own relatives & friends, it's not commercialise unless they upload to internet or their own website.

    btw, how much licence fee were to pay Compass for 1 song? is only Compass the only company to pay? if for example, u have paid licence for 'song A', can u reuse it next time for video montage or need to pay again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdxing View Post
    just heard from friends recently abt this stupid copyright issue still carrys. would like to confirm is only songs (as in voice singing) consider "illegal"? if simply just music (w/o ppl singing) still need the so-called "rights" to use for video highlight?
    As long as the song is registered with the copyrights authority, locally is under COMPASS and is ASCAP in the US, any part of the song used is subjected to the copyright law. Though music and lyrics might be of different issue, it is still considered under 1 law. As the music is copyrighted to the composer and the lyrics is copyrighted to the lyric writer, which in some cases, might belong to single or multiple person.

    So, no matter if anyone sings or not, it's still under the copyright law cause the copyright does not belongs to the singer unless he/she compose the song himself/herself.

    What Is Copyright

    Copyright is the exclusive right of a given piece of work that the owner has over that piece of work. This entitlement allows writers/composers to prevent other people from using their work without their consent. Once consent is granted, the owner is entitled to a fee for use of the work, or what is commonly known as Royalties.

    Types Of Rights

    The exclusive rights of the composers/authors can be categorized into two main categories:

    1. Performing Rights

    The right to do, or to authorize other persons to do any of the following acts:

    • To perform the work in public

    • To communicate the work to the public via:

    (a) Broadcasting
    (b) Inclusion in a cable programme
    (c) Making available of the work in such a way that the work or subject matter may be accessed by any person from a place and at a time chosen by the user

    2. Reproduction Rights

    Reproduction rights can be further categorized into 3 types of rights. Essentially, it is the right to do, or to authorize other persons to do any of the following acts:

    • To record the work, in the form of a disc, tape or any other form. This is also known as Mechanical Rights.

    • To record the work onto the soundtrack of a cinematograph, including films intended for exhibitions in cinemas or for transmission by broadcasting or diffusion services, or of other audio–visual productions. This is known as Synchronization Rights.

    • To record the work as a commercial jingle or an accompaniment to commercial advertising. This is known as Advertising Rights.

    How long does Copyright last in Singapore?

    Generally speaking, the Copyright of a musical work does not expire until 70 years after the end of the calendar year in which the writer of the work died. However, if a work is first published after his death, and there are no other public records of the work being offered for sale, the Copyright will last for 70 years from the date of first publication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdxing View Post
    i'm quite fed up with this kind of rules and i believe no one will be happy with it. i'm calling it stupid is bcos i dont like to see ppl getting fined on their big day. let's put it in this way; they are paying money for videographer to shoot on the morning & played it during dinner time. this video montage is meant to be played for their own relatives & friends, it's not commercialise unless they upload to internet or their own website.

    btw, how much licence fee were to pay Compass for 1 song? is only Compass the only company to pay? if for example, u have paid licence for 'song A', can u reuse it next time for video montage or need to pay again?
    I believe u might find the answers here.

    FAQ for Music Users

    As long as the music is in use in public (As long as not within your own home), it's consider under copyright rule. It's very subjective cause there's a grey line in between here.

    COMPASS

    Give them a call to find out more in detail.

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    no the way royalty free audio works is you buy the audio pieces and you can use it anyway you want. They can't say it's royalty free and you get hit by some rights collection group.

    I can't believe these people don't have a comprehensive list. They're probably trying to wear you down from pursuing the info.

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    Unfortuntaely, there are a lot of people also getting fed up with various rules and laws. The thing is, you will not get "fined" because it is unlikely that they will be considered as criminal offences. You MAY face a letter of demand from a rigthts holder; and as you say, since it i not commercialised; perhaps the "damages" involved may be low if you go to court. But most right holders will "lion open big mouth" and demand a large amount. The question is whether you are prepared to go to court to contest that amount.

    Quote Originally Posted by cdxing View Post
    i'm quite fed up with this kind of rules and i believe no one will be happy with it. i'm calling it stupid is bcos i dont like to see ppl getting fined on their big day. let's put it in this way; they are paying money for videographer to shoot on the morning & played it during dinner time. this video montage is meant to be played for their own relatives & friends, it's not commercialise unless they upload to internet or their own website.

    btw, how much licence fee were to pay Compass for 1 song? is only Compass the only company to pay? if for example, u have paid licence for 'song A', can u reuse it next time for video montage or need to pay again?

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    Neither do I. They either:

    1. Don't have it

    2. Have it but don't want to share it because they want to give you a false impression that the song you want is covered in their list and you pay them for nothing.

    3. Too many songs and they can't even organise it properly themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by shojibake View Post
    no the way royalty free audio works is you buy the audio pieces and you can use it anyway you want. They can't say it's royalty free and you get hit by some rights collection group.

    I can't believe these people don't have a comprehensive list. They're probably trying to wear you down from pursuing the info.

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    Saw newspaper report bout the dancing wedding couple today, wondering...

    would they be sued by the record company for using brown's song?
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