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    Quote Originally Posted by marios_pittas View Post
    Come clean.... it says Nikon on the outside but inside ??? ha ha

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    Still remember the good old days... 1x fm2 & 1xEM, 35mm & 50mm lens only, 1 mounted on each body, 10 rolls of ASA400 + 1 roll spare and a 45-ct1 flashgun... Deliverables = 300pcs 3Rs + negatives in a long plastics bags tube and all these for ~$450/day.

    No complains, no albums, no photo sorting, no post-processing, no pimples removal, etc ... And all prints from Standard Kodak Labs or Fuji Labs. If comes with free albums from the labs, give to the couples also.

    Who comes from this era of wedding photography business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sykestang View Post
    Still remember the good old days... 1x fm2 & 1xEM, 35mm & 50mm lens only, 1 mounted on each body, 10 rolls of ASA400 + 1 roll spare and a 45-ct1 flashgun... Deliverables = 300pcs 3Rs + negatives in a long plastics bags tube and all these for ~$450/day.

    No complains, no albums, no photo sorting, no post-processing, no pimples removal, etc ... And all prints from Standard Kodak Labs or Fuji Labs. If comes with free albums from the labs, give to the couples also.

    Who comes from this era of wedding photography business?
    Yeah...bring back memories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    inside is a roll of fujifilm
    Film is colour or black and white?


    It's up to the couple to find a suitable photographer for the type of shots they want. Since the TS has mentioned that they paid quite a bit of money, they should have spent the time to see if the photographer is competent in what they want...

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    Talking from commercial perpective, I came across a few pros wannabe came to rock the boat of a project with ridiculous quotation that sufficient only for a poly grads monthly expenditure....it's bad as management always use these as tools to press the bonafide supplier.....on one hand they want the service and quality of pros....on the other hand they treatern with non pros payout......due to market conditions....it seems like they have upper hand...put myself into their shoe (btw I am the buyer....not the service provider)....they have a company to run, they have fix amount of mouths to feed....U can imagine how one look when the ball is being squeezed......it's no longer a level playing game....if one concern only about surviving, I honesly thing he will have limited time to think creative and improving on his work So it's a sad development imo.

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    sorry, may i know why most of the PRO i see are using canon 5d?
    Because it's a cheap full frame. And they think it makes them look pro.
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    Every few months, I have heard the same things happened again and again. Somehow, its always the 'friend of the couple', 'sister of the couple' but never the couples. If the TS never name anyone or post any photos, somehow every photographers get dragged in the mud just because someone's friends(never the couples themselves) make the biggest noise always fails to hold someone responsible. Everytime, we clean ourselves up, another nameless complains soiled again........

    This way, the blamed can never clear his/her name.
    Quote Originally Posted by HeiPiGu View Post
    I notice that in 'blaming' threads similar to this, the TS will always disappear when told to give names, show pictures, or give proof. Wonder why like that
    Sounds like a case of Big Camera Envy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    Sounds like a case of Big Camera Envy!
    Really?

    you check what they have in their dry cabinet liao har??
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2evans View Post
    Film is colour or black and white?


    It's up to the couple to find a suitable photographer for the type of shots they want. Since the TS has mentioned that they paid quite a bit of money, they should have spent the time to see if the photographer is competent in what they want...
    currently it is colour

    but it's full frame you know

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    I sucks at indoor shoots so for my couz's wedding next month, I told her that I'll only be the "spare" photographer.
    Don't want to spoil one's wedding.

    I ask her to hire a paid photographer as I don't really think I can take good shots of the wedding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaoken View Post
    I sucks at indoor shoots so for my couz's wedding next month, I told her that I'll only be the "spare" photographer.
    Don't want to spoil one's wedding.

    I ask her to hire a paid photographer as I don't really think I can take good shots of the wedding.
    wise move, use that opportunity to gain experience and when you are confident about getting the shots, then you can think about shooting as the main photog

    btw it is more fun shooting as the spare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyoexpress View Post
    I personally find that checking at photographers "portfolio" is totally useless...

    For example, if a photographer attend studio shoots to obtain various portfolios, eveything has been setup nicely, nice makeup, light, beautiful gals, there is not way, the picture will turn out bad... Then he claims he is pro to mislead pple.

    And also what makes you think that this is his real portfolio, these pictures can be taken by 1 person and they sharing the same portfolio to multiple pple.... I believe there are pple who practices these habits.

    I believe its very important to interview the photographers personally to know his charactristic before engage his service.
    Very much agreed about this point. Nowadays, portfolios are created with so much factors in control (eg lighting in studios, especially those set up by other pros) and is completed over such long periods. Weddings and events happens in split seconds and you require a experienced photographer to capture that moment with little post-editting and deliver your stuff in a short time.

    Well, only the pros will stand out in the long run. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Kahuna View Post
    Talking from commercial perpective, I came across a few pros wannabe came to rock the boat of a project with ridiculous quotation that sufficient only for a poly grads monthly expenditure....it's bad as management always use these as tools to press the bonafide supplier.....on one hand they want the service and quality of pros....on the other hand they treatern with non pros payout......due to market conditions....it seems like they have upper hand...put myself into their shoe (btw I am the buyer....not the service provider)....they have a company to run, they have fix amount of mouths to feed....U can imagine how one look when the ball is being squeezed......it's no longer a level playing game....if one concern only about surviving, I honesly thing he will have limited time to think creative and improving on his work So it's a sad development imo.
    I think we'll always have a hard time trying to explain to clients whose mindset is always going for the "cheaper & more stuff is better". Sometimes we loose clients.

    I got a client once told me he only got $400 for a whole day coverage with photobook & pics on DVD?!
    Humbly, told him I can rent with my PnS, he take all the shots, I print 100pics for him and deliver to his doorstep.

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    Maybe TS might want to change his job to be a professional wedding photographer, so he can save a lot of couples from these bad wedding photographers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    IIRC, all your good friends are so unfortunate, all the professional photographers they engaged for their wedding day are all bonkers, can even take some decent photos, even those are suppose to be the highly reputable in the industry, (AFAIK, WPJA don't anyhow accept Tom, Dick, Harry as members).

    Maybe you should consider help your friends to source for reliable wedding day photographers, if worst come worst, you can even help to take their wedding photos, not to let any others of your friends encounter such misfortune again, isn't it what friends are for?
    What you talking about man. ALL??? Since when did I mention it's ALL? Why be so defensive?

    You know you are in a very competitive business, and as someone in another post blatantly says, it is a s*** profession. There are some pros which are good, but many who claim they are but actually they are not. It is the latter that we are bringing up this issue. And I don't see the industry improving here given there is a lot of supply and Singapore is small.

    Whether you are a full-time pro or not, you can't deny it will somehow affect your business. And it is certainly of concern to people like you. If you think you are satisfied earning $x a month, let me tell you mister, you could have earned $x + ____ if not for those wannabe spoiling your business, and indeed, the reputation of "wedding photographer" in Singapore.

    Why is it that we are simply mentioning friends? Cos it's a lot easier. So what you want the bride/groom to do? Display all their images with them inside, say "These images are taken by XXX photographer and see how bad they look?" What are the repercussions involved? Will the couple be blacklisted? Yes, the wedding's over but Singapore is small. You want them to experience bad blood elsewhere? How about the photographer? You think it's ok to black-list him like that? If so, maybe clubsnap should have a section "Wedding photographers to avoid".

    If you really insist, I can ask my buddy to meet up with you one-on-one (provided he agrees)and you be the judge. Just PM me your contact details and when it is convenient to meet up.

    Then you post here and tell others if the images are bad or not. Convince him to give you the photographer's name and you put it down here and tell others what you personally think of the standard. Sure, you can say that's not your business, but if that's to prove the issue here is no nonsense, why not do it?

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    What you talking about man. ALL??? Since when did I mention it's ALL? Why be so defensive?

    You know you are in a very competitive business, and as someone in another post blatantly says, it is a s*** profession. There are some pros which are good, but many who claim they are but actually they are not. It is the latter that we are bringing up this issue. And I don't see the industry improving here given there is a lot of supply and Singapore is small.

    Whether you are a full-time pro or not, you can't deny it will somehow affect your business. And it is certainly of concern to people like you. If you think you are satisfied earning $x a month, let me tell you mister, you could have earned $x + ____ if not for those wannabe spoiling your business, and indeed, the reputation of "wedding photographer" in Singapore.

    Why is it that we are simply mentioning friends? Cos it's a lot easier. So what you want the bride/groom to do? Display all their images with them inside, say "These images are taken by XXX photographer and see how bad they look?" What are the repercussions involved? Will the couple be blacklisted? Yes, the wedding's over but Singapore is small. You want them to experience bad blood elsewhere? How about the photographer? You think it's ok to black-list him like that? If so, maybe clubsnap should have a section "Wedding photographers to avoid".

    If you really insist, I can ask my buddy to meet up with you one-on-one (provided he agrees)and you be the judge. Just PM me your contact details and when it is convenient to meet up.

    Then you post here and tell others if the images are bad or not. Convince him to give you the photographer's name and you put it down here and tell others what you personally think of the standard. Sure, you can say that's not your business, but if that's to prove the issue here is no nonsense, why not do it?
    Yes, I would like to see the samples, in the worst case it could be shot by me....

    if you friend is fine with the idea, and willing to share, my contact is in my signature, I will be free between 4 to 5pm this Sunday in my studio, but hope can includes a few more people, just to keep the opinion unbiased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi2 View Post
    What you talking about man. ALL??? Since when did I mention it's ALL? Why be so defensive?

    You know you are in a very competitive business, and as someone in another post blatantly says, it is a s*** profession. There are some pros which are good, but many who claim they are but actually they are not. It is the latter that we are bringing up this issue. And I don't see the industry improving here given there is a lot of supply and Singapore is small.

    Whether you are a full-time pro or not, you can't deny it will somehow affect your business. And it is certainly of concern to people like you. If you think you are satisfied earning $x a month, let me tell you mister, you could have earned $x + ____ if not for those wannabe spoiling your business, and indeed, the reputation of "wedding photographer" in Singapore.

    Why is it that we are simply mentioning friends? Cos it's a lot easier. So what you want the bride/groom to do? Display all their images with them inside, say "These images are taken by XXX photographer and see how bad they look?" What are the repercussions involved? Will the couple be blacklisted? Yes, the wedding's over but Singapore is small. You want them to experience bad blood elsewhere? How about the photographer? You think it's ok to black-list him like that? If so, maybe clubsnap should have a section "Wedding photographers to avoid".

    If you really insist, I can ask my buddy to meet up with you one-on-one (provided he agrees)and you be the judge. Just PM me your contact details and when it is convenient to meet up.

    Then you post here and tell others if the images are bad or not. Convince him to give you the photographer's name and you put it down here and tell others what you personally think of the standard. Sure, you can say that's not your business, but if that's to prove the issue here is no nonsense, why not do it?
    You made good valid points.. in this case there is really no way to warn others about "Lousy Photographers trying to mimic themselves like PRO... " until it is too late, i.e.; service rendered and disappointment felt by wedding couples and their families/friends.

    So, the for wedded couple hope they have good studio shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    Yes, I would like to see the samples, in the worst case it could be shot by me....
    You Nikon shooter right?.

    ../azul123

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    You Nikon shooter right?.

    ../azul123
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    Oh rest assure it's not by catchlight. I know who the photographer is from his website that my friend gave me.

    Azul123, thanks, glad you see my point.

    I've nothing against wedding photographers. If anything, I hope to see the job grow into a nice, respected profession like those overseas. However optimistic I may be, I don't think it's going to happen. I'm into photography also so I can imagine I don't like wannabes spoiling or creating problems so that's why I feel irked by all those bad pictures taken by seemingly good but in actual fact, bogus photographers.

    It's like a rojak trade where these days, anybody or anyone jumps into it. Look at the Wedding portfolios posting and those who are sourcing for a photographer can get one lonnng list to choose from. To be fair, the usual names are good, with some consistently nice works from newcomers also. But there are still many black sheep wannabes who take on wedding jobs like they are out on a casual photo shoot with friends. And it's growing.

    The good ones who have made a name for themselves can have a fairly guaranteed source of high-paying customers to survive. But there will be many who are genuinely good and starting out and those mid level ones who will struggle. Cos as long as there are no standards or governing body to oversee and control the trade, wannabes will just spring up and perhaps, just cos they think they have a certain pro equipment, they rule the wedding photography world.

    And I must add also, based on what I read from the forums, layman couples who know nothing about photography get impressed very easily. A typical comment would be "Wowww, I like the way the bride is isolated! You are such a good photograher! Can I book you on so-and-so date?" And the typical response from the photographer would be: "Thanks. I'm flatter by your compliments. I am free on that day. Have sent you a PM." Please lor, don't they know the lens has a big part to play in the isolation of the subject?

    To whoever wanting to go into this profession, for goodness sake, please also spare a thought for the couple getting married.
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