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    we should legalize punching ah beng.
    Now the situation is I always scared by the law when I want to punch them, not because I scared of those ah beng.

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    One of these days you guys will see me in stomp beating up Ah Beng
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    2 sides of the coin here. That guy can just mind his own business, while the gal can refrain from eating. But still, it's nice once in a while to go to another country, seeing people of all ages munching, drinking happily in public transports. Brings a smile once in awhile, why must we become so desensitized?

    I've seen a lady rushed out of the MRT just to tell the station officer that a schoolkid took a sip inside the train. He was grabbed by the arms, and taken out of the train. It's not like he's got a bomb or the water would short circuit the train or something... sigh gimme a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisc View Post
    2 sides of the coin here. That guy can just mind his own business, while the gal can refrain from eating. But still, it's nice once in a while to go to another country, seeing people of all ages munching, drinking happily in public transports. Brings a smile once in awhile, why must we become so desensitized?

    I've seen a lady rushed out of the MRT just to tell the station officer that a schoolkid took a sip inside the train. He was grabbed by the arms, and taken out of the train. It's not like he's got a bomb or the water would short circuit the train or something... sigh gimme a break.

    I for one, would not like to use a dirty, smelly, roach infested train/bus due to people eating/drinking inside. Singapore isn't soooo big that going from point A to B take up 4hrs. No one is going to die of hungry or thirst while taking public transport.... can't we just endure a while until we get off ??

    You see a school kid taking a slip of water.... I've seen school kids drinking bubble tea and just throwing the cup on the train floor when they got off. So, is some 'maid' suppose to clean up after them ?? And why the hell should I suffer inside a dirty train because some parent/teacher forgotten to teach them about being Civil Minded/Responsibility ?? Are we suppose to endure till people begin to pee & sh*t inside the train before we act ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisc View Post
    2 sides of the coin here. That guy can just mind his own business, while the gal can refrain from eating. But still, it's nice once in a while to go to another country, seeing people of all ages munching, drinking happily in public transports. Brings a smile once in awhile, why must we become so desensitized?

    I've seen a lady rushed out of the MRT just to tell the station officer that a schoolkid took a sip inside the train. He was grabbed by the arms, and taken out of the train. It's not like he's got a bomb or the water would short circuit the train or something... sigh gimme a break.
    dennisc, we were like those country decades ago. It will cost money to eliminate those pest and any mess made.

    Definitely not nice, don't understand where u are coming from with that idea. Kids these days won't just listen or are ignorant, why must that boy ignore a law when boarding trains.

    Lucky if he's not fined. Seems some youth of today have become less sociable towards our country's prosperity.

    We need a society that practices good hygenic habits all the time yet not cowered to get dirty if necessary.

    About the incident, I'll do what that man did. It's about time pple "retaliate" against these anti-social behaviour. I hope young people here learns not to mess with adult if you are in the wrong.
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    OT: i find people sitting on the floor more irritating....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cichlid View Post
    OT: i find people sitting on the floor more irritating....
    Ppl are having less brain matter nowadays, less common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cichlid View Post
    OT: i find people sitting on the floor more irritating....
    You forget that they (school kids) sit and eat on the floor at the same time....

    But the one that really really p*ss me off..... A**holes that don't understand how to use a earphone/headphone when listening to music on their handphones.... We might be in a recession... but most of us could still afford our own MP3/4 player, PSP, Handphone !!

    STOP sharing your music with the rest of us !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amateur_photographer View Post
    we should legalize punching ah beng.
    Now the situation is I always scared by the law when I want to punch them, not because I scared of those ah beng.

    I think we should not target this as "ah beng" only behavour. As someone who has told off a few...I assured you, I have told off just as many graduates. The so called youngster who are "suppose" to know better and future leaders of this nation.

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    It's a tricky issue.

    At the end of the day, I'd say the law was made cos generally, we can't be responsible citizens. Remember the ban on chewing gums and how at one point, you could be fined for not flushing the toilet? The cane method has to be used on Singaporeans to behave. Very much like how you train animals -- inflict or threaten to inflict pain for them to behave in a certain required manner.

    The man who chided the girl was a law-abiding citizen. You would think he should be praised for being bold enough to stand up for what is right in the sight of law.

    On the other hand the girl could have rushed out of home hungry. Perhaps she decided to buy a sandwich at a convenience store. And to fill her hunger, decided to take a bite on the train.

    I know how it feels. Cos a few years ago, I was on a subway in Canada where eating was allowed. I hadn't eaten all day and was really hungry. And I needed to travel to another destination that would take almost an hour. So I grabbed a burger and munched on the train, while being careful not to dirty the surroundings. I appreciated the "Eating on the train" rule. Same goes in Japan. Had to take a 2 hours or so ride on the train. It was nice to be able eat early in the morning in the train when the stomach growled.

    But if you looked around, the interior of the trains remained clean. Cos generally, people in these countries respect the cleaniness that they have to maintain. (Incidentally, same with their public toilets. Always very clean, unlike ours.)

    Coming back... It's really hard to say who's right or wrong. Ah Beng or not, the guy probably felt the man should mind his own business for not understanding what was happening to the girl-- that she could be really hungry.

    Nevertheless, like I said, the man did the right thing in the sight of law. But whether it was WORTH IT to start a quarrel or potential fight is another matter.

    Personally, I'd leave the gal alone. Unless she started messing the place with litter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    I think we should not target this as "ah beng" only behavour. As someone who has told off a few...I assured you, I have told off just as many graduates. The so called youngster who are "suppose" to know better and future leaders of this nation.
    Hmm your sarcasm tells me how narrow a mind you have. If i were to use the same tone as your statement made earlier i would have said that the older generation ****ed Singapore up in a way that we only live to follow rules and cannot think out of the box, so much so that we end up with a population of 'followers' like rats being led by a holy trail of cheese to their doom. Look at how we are being so dependent on FOREIGN INVESTMENTS and CAPITAL that we have to kowtow to the west. Work more hours, less pay, degrading standards of living. That is why even the government stresses on the need for more CREATIVITY, more Entrepeneur-ship from the population of OLD rats.

    But of course i dont think i am that shallow enough to have made that kind of problematic argument, of which its absurdity lies in the same league as your views as suggested by your sarcasm.

    And rules are being made every day, one 'acceptable' behaviour now dont mean that its acceptable later on and vice versa. So dont just look at the situation such that IT IS THE ONLY RIGHT and the other is definitely a WRONG. Laws change in time and space, and so do the moral code of Right or Wrong. I urge you to rethink your stance sir.

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    According to the law, as a member of the public and a citizen, you have the right to detain anyone who flouts the rules/law. - I read this before, forgot the section.

    It's just most of us, don't go to that extent. We just tell the person not to flout the rules, but he/she is the one that gets agitated and trys to fight despite being in the wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    I for one, would not like to use a dirty, smelly, roach infested train/bus due to people eating/drinking inside. Singapore isn't soooo big that going from point A to B take up 4hrs. No one is going to die of hungry or thirst while taking public transport.... can't we just endure a while until we get off ??

    You see a school kid taking a slip of water.... I've seen school kids drinking bubble tea and just throwing the cup on the train floor when they got off. So, is some 'maid' suppose to clean up after them ?? And why the hell should I suffer inside a dirty train because some parent/teacher forgotten to teach them about being Civil Minded/Responsibility ?? Are we suppose to endure till people begin to pee & sh*t inside the train before we act ??
    Were their actions reported in the end?

    Did you take any actions (i.e. send a complain letter to the school)?

    I recall there was a similar incident before. A mother was trying feed her crying baby with a baby biscuit but was stopped by the MRT attendant. She could only watch her baby cry till they reach their destination. What are your views on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenieadi View Post
    dennisc, we were like those country decades ago. It will cost money to eliminate those pest and any mess made.

    Definitely not nice, don't understand where u are coming from with that idea. Kids these days won't just listen or are ignorant, why must that boy ignore a law when boarding trains.

    Lucky if he's not fined. Seems some youth of today have become less sociable towards our country's prosperity.

    We need a society that practices good hygenic habits all the time yet not cowered to get dirty if necessary.

    About the incident, I'll do what that man did. It's about time pple "retaliate" against these anti-social behaviour. I hope young people here learns not to mess with adult if you are in the wrong.
    This incident could've happen to people of all ages. Somehow this particular incident happen to involve a young teenager or a young adult.

    I don't understand why you would want to assume only kids / young people would break the law / portray anti-social behaviour?

    If the younger generation were to turn out like this, shouldn't we blame the adults for their negligence too?

    It seems that most of the replies to this thread are taking the opportunity to vent anger / hate on their own (possible) bad experiences with people who share similar traits with the young man in the article.

    Anyway, it was the girl who was at fault, she could have at least stood up and apologize before the situation turns ugly, and dragged her friend to somewhere else.

    And I agree to what kiwi2 said, pick the battles that are worth fighting for. As long as they clean up the mess they've made, I don't see why there is a need to step in and insist on the restriction.
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    Youngsters nowadays. Hopeless.

    They are full of themselves, have no respect for elders, others & the community.

    I would have punch that bast@rd in his face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    I think we should not target this as "ah beng" only behavour. As someone who has told off a few...I assured you, I have told off just as many graduates. The so called youngster who are "suppose" to know better and future leaders of this nation.
    Graduates cannot be "Ah Beng" meh... lol... But I really applaud your courage to speak up to people who flout the rule... I think most of us would just keep quiet if it doesn't affect us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sims0002 View Post
    This incident could've happen to people of all ages. Somehow this particular incident happen to involve a young teenager or a young adult.
    Too often it invovles commuters in school uniform. I think no one here can deny that. Most people are self-conscious or law-abiding to eat or drink in MRT/BUS.

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    I don't understand why you would want to assume only kids / young people would break the law / portray anti-social behaviour?
    It's not an assumption but fact. Kids think just becoz they are underaged they can getaway when breaking the law - Mummy and Daddy can bail them out if caught.
    Don't forget many of us here were kids too and we know what is their thinking.

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    If the younger generation were to turn out like this, shouldn't we blame the adults for their negligence too?
    Aaah yes, blame everyone and everything except themselves. Kids needs to be responsible for what they do, only then they can be respected by adults.
    We still live in a social culture of respect needs to be earned. With way better education and standards of living kids nowadays are suppose to mature physically and mentally at a younger age.

    Ppl of previous generations litter becoz they know nuts about keeping the environment clean, aren't kids nowadays should know better?

    Quote Originally Posted by sims0002 View Post
    It seems that most of the replies to this thread are taking the opportunity to vent anger / hate on their own (possible) bad experiences with people who share similar traits with the young man in the article.
    Anyway, it was the girl who was at fault, she could have at least stood up and apologize before the situation turns ugly, and dragged her friend to somewhere else.
    Let's not get emotional. The incident happens between 2 kids and a man, so we quote similar instances. I believe to apologize is a bravier act to do then trying to pick a fight with that man.

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    And I agree to what kiwi2 said, pick the battles that are worth fighting for. As long as they clean up the mess they've made, I don't see why there is a need to step in and insist on the restriction.
    Such incidents are not battles you engage in WoW or any games. Never consider a fight to solve issues, losing party will pick another day to settle the score - it never ends.
    Bruised ego will fuel the anger. No fight is worth fighting for except as an act of self-defence.

    C'mon, rules are there for a purpose. We are the ones who force the authorities to create those rules. Don't make them create more rules.

    If you can't understand NO DRINKING & EATING ALLOWED on buses and MRT then I will intervene and intepret it for you in my own language.

    It isn't fair, I abide by the rule but you're not, irregardless if you clean up the mess.
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    Sorry, double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenieadi View Post
    Aaah yes, blame everyone and everything except themselves. Kids needs to be responsible for what they do, only then they can be respected by adults.
    Respect is a mutual thing. I didn't mentioned that I blamed solely on the adults, it takes 2 hands to clap.

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    We still live in a social culture of respect needs to be earned. With way better education and standards of living kids nowadays are suppose to mature physically and mentally at a younger age.
    Could you back this up with facts / statistics?

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    Ppl of previous generations litter becoz they know nuts about keeping the environment clean, aren't kids nowadays should know better?
    Could you back this up also?

    Quote Originally Posted by greenieadi View Post
    Let's not get emotional. The incident happens between 2 kids and a man, so we quote similar instances. I believe to apologize is a bravier act to do then trying to pick a fight with that man.
    I agree with your sentence in red.

    The term "kids" is used quite a number of times, would like to know what is your definition of "kids"? I didn't recall the article stating the actual age of the person involved?


    Quote Originally Posted by greenieadi View Post
    Such incidents are not battles you engage in WoW or any games. Never consider a fight to solve issues, losing party will pick another day to settle the score - it never ends.
    Bruised ego will fuel the anger. No fight is worth fighting for except as an act of self-defence.

    C'mon, rules are there for a purpose. We are the ones who force the authorities to create those rules. Don't make them create more rules.

    If you can't understand NO DRINKING & EATING ALLOWED on buses and MRT then I will intervene and intepret it for you in my own language.
    What I meant by "Battle" isn't just physical combat.

    Yes, I agree violence doesn't solve anything.

    Would like to hear what you meant by "your own language"?

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    It isn't fair, I abide by the rule but you're not, irregardless if you clean up the mess.
    The law was set to ensure cleanliness of the train, and not how you feel?

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    Too often it invovles commuters in school uniform. I think no one here can deny that. Most people are self-conscious or law-abiding to eat or drink in MRT/BUS.
    Could you show prove to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by greenieadi View Post
    It's not an assumption but fact. Kids think just becoz they are underaged they can getaway when breaking the law - Mummy and Daddy can bail them out if caught.
    Okay I hear you, but where's the evidence supporting this fact?

    Quote Originally Posted by greenieadi View Post
    Don't forget many of us here were kids too and we know what is their thinking.
    I didn't have this thinking when I was young though. Yes, I'm a working adult, I'm not taking sides here between the young and old, I'm just trying to be fair.

    My point here is, we should base our views / opinions on the matter and not the person.

    I apologise to the TS for going OT.
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