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  1. #261

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    Hehe, I think either he overestimate the GTR or he overestimate SG's roads

    Anyway, jeanie, maybe u can try to park this way...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7oTa...eature=related

  2. #262

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post




    I much prefer it this way:


  3. #263

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelbourneGuy View Post
    Sorry, I have no idea what you said. I speak English, not Singlish.
    Ok. Please go back to Melbourne to speak your english ok. I will remember to turn my "angmoh" switch on when I visit Melbourne.

    But in the meantime, SINGLISH FTW


  4. #264

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo-lution View Post
    Hehe, I think either he overestimate the GTR or he overestimate SG's roads

    Anyway, jeanie, maybe u can try to park this way...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7oTa...eature=related
    if i can do that, i'll prob use my powers to push the hogging cars off 1st lanes first!

  5. #265

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breyton View Post

    I much prefer it this way:

    you know....the gtr is designed for the air flow to flow to the rear wing for downforce.i remember reading it somewhere.
    to remove the rear wing...errr...what's the point?other than less drag for faster 1.4 mile?
    the kick of driving the gtr is it's ability to handle corners imho.

  6. #266

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    Anyway, anyone here knows where to buy a GTR badge?

    I wanna stick it on the back n front of that Mercedes Benz bus I take everyday

    Hehe, then i get my cool ride everyday for eh 69cents??

  7. #267

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo-lution View Post
    Anyway, anyone here knows where to buy a GTR badge?

    I wanna stick it on the back n front of that Mercedes Benz bus I take everyday

    Hehe, then i get my cool ride everyday for eh 69cents??
    http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/GTR-BADGE-EMB...mZ250394703475

  8. #268

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    you know....the gtr is designed for the air flow to flow to the rear wing for downforce.i remember reading it somewhere.
    to remove the rear wing...errr...what's the point?other than less drag for faster 1.4 mile?
    the kick of driving the gtr is it's ability to handle corners imho.
    I prefer it that way for looks I should say.

    If I had a GTR I wouldn't remove the spoiler either. The hazards of too many years of studying aerodynamics...

    Anyway, aerodynamic grip is but one part of the equation. I'd rather put more emphasis on mechanical grip. Spoilers and other aerodynamic aids work best when the airflow is perpendicular to the length - sometimes in corners the car drifts/slips and the airflow then switches direction and is no longer flowing straight over the aids. This will cause a sudden/momentary loss in aerodynamic grip and if the car was too dependent on it, will then also experience a sudden loss in overall grip. The Nissan engineers are well aware of this - hence the small-ish wing on the R35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breyton View Post
    I prefer it that way for looks I should say.

    If I had a GTR I wouldn't remove the spoiler either. The hazards of too many years of studying aerodynamics...

    Anyway, aerodynamic grip is but one part of the equation. I'd rather put more emphasis on mechanical grip. Spoilers and other aerodynamic aids work best when the airflow is perpendicular to the length - sometimes in corners the car drifts/slips and the airflow then switches direction and is no longer flowing straight over the aids. This will cause a sudden/momentary loss in aerodynamic grip and if the car was too dependent on it, will then also experience a sudden loss in overall grip. The Nissan engineers are well aware of this - hence the small-ish wing on the R35.
    ic.
    thanks for the insight.
    love this thread.glad i started it!...

    yes, i also wondered why initially for godzilla, they place such a small wing on it.
    i think amuse has a replacement wing which is as tall as the previous sti one.

    well, i guess people care more for looks, and less for aero.
    not everyone understands aero though.it's too technical i would say.
    so i know who to speak to if i want to add bodykits.

  10. #270

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    ...
    yes, i also wondered why initially for godzilla, they place such a small wing on it.
    i think amuse has a replacement wing which is as tall as the previous sti one.

    well, i guess people care more for looks, and less for aero.
    not everyone understands aero though.it's too technical i would say.
    so i know who to speak to if i want to add bodykits.
    I think it was way back during the R34 days when I read the Nissan engineers' take on the rear wing. They could have made it a lot bigger but decided not to depend too much on aerodynamic grip. The effectiveness of aerodynamic aids increases with speed - the higher the car's speed, the harder the wings push the car down.

    So can you imagine, you take a corner at high speed because you know you have that huge rear wing giving you grip... then you push it just that little bit too far and the car starts to oversteer - airflow over the wing changes direction is now close to parallel to the wing, rendering the wing all but useless and you have suddenly lost a large portion of your grip....

    Anyway, you know what Ferrari used to say - aerodynamics is for people who cannot design engines....

    Bodykits - actually the GT-R looks great and balanced as it is. I'd leave it alone if I had one. I haven't yet seen a kit which doesn't 'scream'.... But then again I haven't really been looking at many GT-R kits....

  11. #271

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breyton View Post
    I think it was way back during the R34 days when I read the Nissan engineers' take on the rear wing. They could have made it a lot bigger but decided not to depend too much on aerodynamic grip. The effectiveness of aerodynamic aids increases with speed - the higher the car's speed, the harder the wings push the car down.

    So can you imagine, you take a corner at high speed because you know you have that huge rear wing giving you grip... then you push it just that little bit too far and the car starts to oversteer - airflow over the wing changes direction is now close to parallel to the wing, rendering the wing all but useless and you have suddenly lost a large portion of your grip....

    Anyway, you know what Ferrari used to say - aerodynamics is for people who cannot design engines....
    Bodykits - actually the GT-R looks great and balanced as it is. I'd leave it alone if I had one. I haven't yet seen a kit which doesn't 'scream'.... But then again I haven't really been looking at many GT-R kits....
    So snobbish arh?

    Hehe, then their F1 car why so many aerodynamics thingy?? Then why they need to copy the rear diffuser thingy from BrawnGP?? I think, now become they dunno how to design engines liao

  12. #272

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    Haha, If u see a GTR bus in stomp one day, u guys know who did it huh

  13. #273

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    breyton,
    did you happen to watch the clip from top gear on the koenisegg ccxr?the car which didnt had a rear wing and stig crashed it.
    a few months later they tested the car again with e wing slap on and he took the corner perfectly.

    so, am i right to say though rear wing gives downforce at high speeds, BUT it is a risk to overestimate the grip and if you push it further, your cause of crash could be due to the rear wing??

    so does that mean ferraris cant design engines?
    the f430's wing mirrors are designed to channel air into the air duct for the engine which is rear mounted.
    aero plays such a large part in super cars.
    look at veyron.it even has a automatic retractable rear wing.

  14. #274

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo-lution View Post
    Ok. Please go back to Melbourne to speak your english ok. I will remember to turn my "angmoh" switch on when I visit Melbourne.

    But in the meantime, SINGLISH FTW
    So snobbish arh?

    anyway i would agree with Breyton here that mechanical grip wins over aerodynamic grip. guess we need to find a harmonic balance in this area.

    personally. i would prefer the GTR as it is.

    Cheers
    Shaz
    | An army of sheep led by a lion are more to be feared than an army of lions led by a sheep. |

  15. #275

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoheadGostern View Post
    So snobbish arh?

    anyway i would agree with Breyton here that mechanical grip wins over aerodynamic grip. guess we need to find a harmonic balance in this area.

    personally. i would prefer the GTR as it is.

    Cheers
    Shaz
    Lol.... No lor. My intended tone is suppose to be calm one

    But, hey look at it, we need to embrace the local culture wherever u go to. Don't expect the local culture to change for u right? It's just basic respect for the local community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo-lution View Post
    Lol.... No lor. My intended tone is suppose to be calm one

    But, hey look at it, we need to embrace the local culture wherever u go to. Don't expect the local culture to change for u right? It's just basic respect for the local community.
    you embrace local culture whereever you are. but you also must welcome those who are not local. your way only leaves bad impression of the local culture. it is basic respect the foreigners expects of the locals.d if you cant give respect to others, then noone will respect you in return.

    Cheers
    Shaz
    | An army of sheep led by a lion are more to be feared than an army of lions led by a sheep. |

  17. #277

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoheadGostern View Post
    you embrace local culture whereever you are. but you also must welcome those who are not local. your way only leaves bad impression of the local culture. it is basic respect the foreigners expects of the locals.d if you cant give respect to others, then noone will respect you in return.

    Cheers
    Shaz
    I think u might wanna read thru the sequence of the posts before commenting.... Who on earth here didn't welcome him until he made those "stick in the mud" comments(and definitely not showing basic respect to anyone here in the first place)? Many have told him not to take it too seriously. Each have their own views.... But he simply went on and on....

    Anyway, I think we should not crash jeanie's thread n OT too much here. Let's tok abt cars instead and dun spoilt the mood here ok

    Cheers!

  18. #278

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    his stick in the mud comments are his own views. like you say each has their own views.
    if youve got a bone to pick with melbourneguy, why dont you just talk about it straight to his face instead of making such snide petty comments? you sound like some spoilt little brat. This is my own view.

    TS. glad you gotten your GTR. are you gg to invest in a car rig to get shots of your car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evo-lution View Post
    Ok. Please go back to Melbourne to speak your english ok. I will remember to turn my "angmoh" switch on when I visit Melbourne.

    But in the meantime, SINGLISH FTW

    honestly, I found that a little insulting considering how I am a) a Singaporean based in Melbourne, and b) a Singaporean who strives to ensure that foreigners do not have the mindset about us that we all speak and behave like Phua Chu Kang did on the Amazing Race.

    can you please settle your beef privately? please?
    chicken fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clwjk View Post
    his stick in the mud comments are his own views. like you say each has their own views.
    if youve got a bone to pick with melbourneguy, why dont you just talk about it straight to his face instead of making such snide petty comments? you sound like some spoilt little brat. This is my own view.

    TS. glad you gotten your GTR. are you gg to invest in a car rig to get shots of your car?
    Quote Originally Posted by terryansimon View Post
    honestly, I found that a little insulting considering how I am a) a Singaporean based in Melbourne, and b) a Singaporean who strives to ensure that foreigners do not have the mindset about us that we all speak and behave like Phua Chu Kang did on the Amazing Race.

    can you please settle your beef privately? please?
    Ok, guys. If u guys are offended in anyway. I sincerely apologize.

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