How effective is VR?

[poseidon61]

Irregardless of VR1 or VRII, how low of your shutter speed can your picture remain sharp with VR on?

[Tantalize]

Originally Posted by poseidon61 Irregardless of VR1 or VRII, how low of your shutter speed can your picture remain sharp with VR on?

I manage to take picture without blurrish with the speed of 20

[krabbie]

Originally Posted by poseidon61 Irregardless of VR1 or VRII, how low of your shutter speed can your picture remain sharp with VR on?

It depends on a lot of factors, isn't it? e.g. leaning against a wall, with some support like dustbin, beanbag, how steady is your hand, etc ...

[poseidon61]

Originally Posted by Tantalize I manage to take picture without blurrish with the speed of 20

Thanks for sharing.

[poseidon61]

Originally Posted by krabbie It depends on a lot of factors, isn't it? e.g. leaning against a wall, with some support like dustbin, beanbag, how steady is your hand, etc ...

No support whatsoever. But of cos with proper holding technique. Basically I'm trying to find out the "safest" shutter speed.

[proteonXPR]

usually 1/5 for me is good

[andrewtansj]

focal length of the lens plays a part to how slow your shutter speed can go handheld, longer the focal length, faster the shutter speed...but if your subject is moving, vr will not be of use...

[Blur Shadow]

It's good for an addition 2-3 stops for me, up to a limit of about 1/10s.

[poseidon61]

Thanks for all the reply.

For me I always try to stay within 1/40 or faster.
I guess Im a little kiasu.

[yanikonian]

I believe shutter speed is influrenced by:
- Subject movement
In shooting a moving subject, shutter speed is solely determined by this (how you want to freeze - moving car or water fountain,..).

- Camera movement/shake
We simply calculate by 1/focal-length for slowest speed. However VR mechanism contributes to get faster shutter speed. I read (not own/tried VR lens) VR mode slow down fps in panning burst mode as the drawback.

If you're shooting a moving subject with handheld VR on, shutter speed? hmmm...difficult to say.

[Nenjia]

VR will help on 1) low shutter speed 2) long focus length when take far faraway subjects -- b'cos when distance is large, the small shaking will affect a lot.

[poseidon61]

Originally Posted by yanikonian I believe shutter speed is influrenced by: - Subject movement In shooting a moving subject, shutter speed is solely determined by this (how you want to freeze - moving car or water fountain,..). - Camera movement/shake We simply calculate by 1/focal-length for slowest speed. However VR mechanism contributes to get faster shutter speed. I read (not own/tried VR lens) VR mode slow down fps in panning burst mode as the drawback. If you're shooting a moving subject with handheld VR on, shutter speed? hmmm...difficult to say.

Thanks for the input, the 1/focal-length logic is a very useful guideline.
However, I think we should be "quite" safe 1-2 stops down.

Many times in low light situation, I just wack and wack trying hard to stay within the "safe" shutter speed. In the end, many of them came out blurish.

[poseidon61]

Originally Posted by Nenjia VR will help on 1) low shutter speed 2) long focus length when take far faraway subjects -- b'cos when distance is large, the small shaking will affect a lot.

Sometimes I feel like I am too dependent on VR.

[luntut]

Originally Posted by poseidon61 Sometimes I feel like I am too dependent on VR.

that is the problem with VR. users will just get too used to it, and forget all about their shooting techniques.

turn off your VR and shoot. make it a habit, and turn the VR on only when you really really need it. this will allow you to work on your techniques on holding and breathing, and overtime, you will realise you will be able to handheld 1/15s shots without a VR, and with that VR, will allow you to shoot even longer shutter speeds.

btw. I shoot without VR even at 200mm lengths. unless i really desperately need it.

just my 2 cents.

[KNIGHT ONG]

VR also depends on which lens you are using, you cant apply the same speed across the whole ranges of VR lens ..

I prefers to turn off VR during normal shooting, if possible it is the last techniques I will use as it tends to slow me down ..

[longkangman]

Originally Posted by KNIGHT ONG I prefers to turn off VR during normal shooting, if possible it is the last techniques I will use as it tends to slow me down ..

it is always man behind the cam lah...
VR or non-VR is always individual experience.

my non VR 180mm .... big time never know it AF is going to die.

Sorry for the OT.

[Daedalus Trent]

Originally Posted by luntut that is the problem with VR. users will just get too used to it, and forget all about their shooting techniques.

Agreed

I currently don't own any VR lenses. Still, doesn't stop me from shooting at 1/80s with a 70-200 @200mm at a concert and getting perfectly useable shots

[nixontkl]

Lense : 70-300mm VR
shutter : 1/40-80
focal length : 300mm

indoor or night time. handheld

[Nenjia]

Originally Posted by nixontkl Lense : 70-300mm VR shutter : 1/40-80 focal length : 300mm indoor or night time. handheld

yup focus length is one thing, another factor will be the distance of subject 3-5 meter and 50-100meter away, in same speed and same focus length will show much difference

[imwint3r]

Originally Posted by luntut that is the problem with VR. users will just get too used to it, and forget all about their shooting techniques. turn off your VR and shoot. make it a habit, and turn the VR on only when you really really need it. this will allow you to work on your techniques on holding and breathing, and overtime, you will realise you will be able to handheld 1/15s shots without a VR, and with that VR, will allow you to shoot even longer shutter speeds. btw. I shoot without VR even at 200mm lengths. unless i really desperately need it. just my 2 cents.

this piece of advice is good..