I prefer (note: I said "prefer", I didn't say something is "better" than anything else) Canon's lenses in terms of what I would realistically purchase. They have a stunning 17-55 lens, and an entire range of F/4 prosumer L series lenses. I'd never move to the holy trinity anyway so its a moot point.
I also like the way the Canon gives 14-bit colour depth. Sure, people might say it makes no (or little) difference, and maybe I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about, but the below excerpt from a recent Canon 500D review (it applies equally to the 450D) says what I've been thinking for a while now...
"14-bit A/D conversion. Just like the Rebel XSi, the Canon Rebel T1i uses 14-bit Analog-to-Digital conversion when creating JPEGs, for smoother color transitions, and RAW files are saved as 14-bit files. Converting from 14-bits worth of data means that the saved images are theoretically formed from four times the color information than was available to the Canon XTi, which was only able to generate 4,096 colors per channel. The Canon Rebel T1i can recognize 16,384 colors per channel, which should mean smoother tones and more accurate color overall. Though JPEGs will still be saved as 8-bit color, RAW images will benefit more fully from the 14-bit depth, making for more accurate 16-bit images in programs like Photoshop."
The review is at http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/T1I/T1IA.HTM.
The Nikon is heavier too. I prefer as light as possible. It's interesting to note that www.nikonrumors.com has an unsubstantiated rumour that all new Nikon bodies will not have an internal focusing motor. It might be nothing but a rumour, but I personally think it's good to get rid of the extra weight it adds and just focus on putting motors inside the lenses like Canons have been doing for years. I know about the whole backwards compatability issue, but nothing lasts forever...
Last edited by MelbourneGuy; 6th May 2009 at 08:37 PM.
can see u ve been doing much reading. good for u !
but after u get your camera, do yourself a favor, stop reading those reviews.
they wun make your pic any better.
Let me share my buying experience for my first DSLR (now on 2nd one)
1) I looked at my bank account. 1.5k Ho say liao.
2) I go to a shop.
3) Asked for cheapest Canon and Nikon at the time.
4) Hold Canon
One feels like cheap plastic toy compared to the other. (I wont say which brand)
5) Play controls on both Cameras.
One feels like engineers and marketing dept had too much say in it.(Print button on a camera? o come on) The other, yes, the designer is a photographer.
6) The uncle at the counter say, this brand 90% of business is only cameras and lens. this other one sells everything under the sun.
7) And he added "Come on, in my time, the only Japanese camera a young man wants is THIS Brand. Uncle is in his 40s.
So I paid $1250 for everything plus a kit lens and a sd card and a bag.
Well, thats how i bought my first DSLR
Last edited by Temujin; 6th May 2009 at 11:50 PM.
And I really find it interesting if 90% of Nikon's business is cameras and lenses, why are third party lenses seemginly (just from my general observations...could be wrong) so much more popular on Nikon bodies than on Canons? Range, quality, price...?
Last edited by MelbourneGuy; 7th May 2009 at 12:00 AM.
Canon is good for their high end/pro-level and pns cameras.
Nikon is good for their mid-range/semi-pro cameras.
Sony is value for money for their low-end/entry level cameras. (as in features, handling, quality and price).
And I always believe in this: The one who invented/started it may not have the best product. If the camera/lens quality is really so much more important than the usability itself, then just get yourself the best product in the market and no one will say anything about it, which of course the word "best" differs from person to person.
Of course, to each his own, everyone has their own rights to decide on their own purchase which suit their needs/ego better.
Last edited by Ouverture; 7th May 2009 at 12:04 AM.
Like I said, it's probably too late to tell you otherwise...so just go get your camera and SSS away
(ii) The 500D vary well have a different tone curve than the 450D following CNet's claims. If that's the case, you need not worry 'cos it will not affect RAW output.
But CNet is never rigorous. You can either wait for detailed test results or try them yourself at the Canon Showroom.
(iii) The 500D has more aggressive noise reduction and slightly higher noise than 450D. The best test is to change the noise reduction option to Low instead of Standard.
you mention (keep mentioning)you want something light for carrying around but now you mention you want 60D. previously you also mention you looking at 70-200f4IS which is also a super heavy lens around. combining the weight for the body and lens will not a "light" camera you will be getting.
why dont you round up all this with a buying and next try to shoot more first, from there you will really realised what you will need and what is good for you. you cant go far if you think of so many factors at the moment with nothing. but when you got the equipment later, yours thought and ideas might even not the same anymore.
Last edited by ggodetucsamoht; 7th May 2009 at 12:20 AM.
It's ok, I'm not backflipping I'm hoping to find a second hand EF-S 17-55 F2.8 lens with hood and UV filter for $1300-1350.
Oh, and the 70-200 F4 lens is only if I ever need that focal range (which I may never need). I figure I'll start with the 17-55, then if I need a bit more range I really love the 24-105 L series F4 lens. The 70-200 F4 would be the logical final piece of the puzzle...IF I ever need it and I'd carry it to wherever I intended to shoot...it certainly wouldn't be a walkaround lens due to the weight (but still lighter than the 7-200 F2.8 lens).
Last edited by MelbourneGuy; 7th May 2009 at 12:24 AM.
A sincere thank you to everybody who offered some advice and helped me make an informed decision. Despite choosing Canon, I think Nikon have some wonderful cameras, and a certain part of me will always wish I got the D90 (ooh, those lovely ergonomics and big, bright viewfinder). But I made the decision according to some criteria that were important to me in terms of both wants and needs, and feel better for making an informed choice.
I'll let you guys know when I've got camera + lens in my hot little hands and hopefully some kind ClubSNAPpers can give me a few pointers out on a photoshoot one of these days
Last edited by Ouverture; 7th May 2009 at 12:32 AM.
E-quote from Cathay Photo for the 450D is $881.10 (GST inc.).
E-quote from MS Color for the 450D is $881.61 (GST inc.)
Both include 8GB memory (probably not the fastest) and camera bag (whatever that is).
Do these prices seem reasonable or should I keep looking?
A lot of comedians on the second hand forums asking for $800 and higher for their second hand 450D bodies. For the sake of an extra $80, I'll get a new one thank you very much :P
Also looks like these camera shops just have a 'best price' for each item and don't make things progressively cheaper the more items you buy (I'd get a tripod at the same time if it brought the total package cost down).
Errrr wow 13 pages... you are certainly a well-informed buyer.
Good choice on body and lens although I feel the D90 shouldn't exactly be compared to the Digital Rebels. It's a prosumer DSLR with more advanced features (pentaprism viewfinder with higher magnification, separate shooting status LCD, better build, higher FPS etc.)
I changed from 400D to 30D and I could tell the difference, despite 30D being an older model with an older sensor (8.2mp vs 10.1mp). In fact, I consider it an upgrade. Only gripe I have is 30D's poor WB under incandescent lighting, which pisses the sh** out of me. No matter though, I shoot RAW ^^
Key differences are what I outlined earlier. I can't go back to a Digital Rebel now that I've had a taste of pentaprism viewfinder, 5fps and a much more silent shutter (:
Last edited by ditikolon; 7th May 2009 at 01:09 AM.