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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix View Post
    Really?

    Ive read recently that cows and sheep create more C02 than all the cars in the world just from farting. So what, are you going to kill all the cows?
    I dun tink that Cow's "emission" was CO2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I dun tink that Cow's "emission" was CO2.
    Or is methane? But it's even worse because methane is 20 times more harmful to the environment that CO2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix View Post
    Or is methane? But it's even worse because methane is 20 times more harmful to the environment that CO2.
    so we should stop drinking milk and all be vegetarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix View Post
    Or is methane? But it's even worse because methane is 20 times more harmful to the environment that CO2.
    Ya.

    Then again, human "emission" also contain methene... One day you'd get a smart scientist proclaiming to ban eating onions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix View Post
    A did a bit of research about this before... There are some scientists who argue that this 'global warming' is cyclical. It happened before and it will happen again whether we like it or not.

    There were studies conducted and showed that the temperature 1000 years ago were not that dissimilar to today's temperature, and a cold period 500 years ago.
    Have you check who are the sponsor of these scientific research?
    It could be by companies who are negatively impacted by global warming theories, companies who love making profit by not caring about pollution, companies that build unsafe factories in third world countries.

    It can be cyclical, but it should be slower than this, this is too fast for the normal evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aryanto View Post
    so we should stop drinking milk and all be vegetarian
    And accelerate deforestation for agriculture land!?!

    Noooooooo.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by aryanto View Post
    Have you check who are the sponsor of these scientific research?
    It could be by companies who are negatively impacted by global warming theories, companies who love making profit by not caring about pollution, companies that build unsafe factories in third world countries.

    It can be cyclical, but it should be slower than this, this is too fast for the normal evolution.
    look at the amount of dslr launched, this is too fast for the normal evolution it should be slower than this.

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    hi all,

    pls chill leh, I started this thread basically just to share with others about this film which i find it anything to lose if one is interested to watch. Of cos we will never know which ever who and who is 100% right with their "researches" or "facts" they have. What's right and wrong? It just individual's perspectives after watching it, believe it or not is up to oneself.

    As for this film, personally i find it logical with some of the "facts" that it shown and how its been explained.

    Of cos it will be super duper funny that if i say "let SAVE the world and CHANGE the world now" then i will be the funniest joker in CS.

    This thread is just to share and not meant to "fight" or "wont want to lose argument" thing.

    Sometime i think, why we willing to use up so many quality time to do these "unnecessary" rather than do something which is more helpful or constructive?

    Or do we really need a super huge campaign then we are able to do that bit part that we can? You see, CS is one of a huge platform of photography forum and where people "meet" to share, right?

    Do you believe with this "little" strength if you comparing to the world, can do great thing if everyone can jsut help each other for good cause and it's happened. Why not now?

    A simple "Movement" do can change the world, even it just a fair bit also good. Still remember the movie, "Pay it Forward"?

    Chills people
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    Watched the movie a long time back. A few comments here.

    Al gore showed the melting ice on Kilimanjaro. He implies it is due to global warming. Experts believe the reason is instead man-made deforestation at the base of the mountain, so moist air can no longer be carried up the mountain. They believe the situation is easily repairable of the forrest is allowed to grow back.

    The cartoon about polar bears dying. "A new scientific study shows that for the first time there are more bears that have actually drowned, swimming long distances of up to 60 miles to find the ice." Al gore seems to imply global warming is destroying the ice, causing the bears to drown. But this statement seems based on a sighting of 4 dead bears after a particularly heavy storm. Incidentally, the 4 bears belonged to a population that was actually increasing in numbers.

    Incidentally, i don't approve of Earth Hour or Earth Day. Because these are large, showy celebrations that actually do little to help environmental issues.

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    Just want to remind people that there is only one earth and not backup.

    Who want to bet using their only one? Lost and then say oops?

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchRival View Post
    Al gore showed the melting ice on Kilimanjaro. He implies it is due to global warming. Experts believe the reason is instead man-made deforestation at the base of the mountain, so moist air can no longer be carried up the mountain. They believe the situation is easily repairable of the forrest is allowed to grow back.
    Have these experts tried some project to prove their theory or they just say that?

    by the way remember elevation of singapore is not that high, I think if sea level go up 1.5m still should be OK can mobilise people to sandbag entire island but if sea level go up 2m the first thing is suddenly there is a scarcity of fresh water because the reservoirs are flooded with sea water.
    make it 3 meters and many should change passport and move to other country already.
    Last edited by aryanto; 24th April 2009 at 08:57 AM.

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    For the other side of the arguement, please read up / google "the skeptical environmentalist".

    Personally, I feel that Al Gore has vested interest in promoting his green movement. Many scientist has been demonized for questioning his green movement because of the public perception that he is trying to save the earth.

    Try to view this with an open mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchRival View Post
    Incidentally, i don't approve of Earth Hour or Earth Day. Because these are large, showy celebrations that actually do little to help environmental issues.
    This campaign is to rise awareness about global warming but not to save the world immediately. It might take decades for people to truly understand and appreciate more about this little home we have, perhaps.

    At certain points, i might not totally agree with how they spent and "marketing" this campaign but we can deny that at least some one willing to put in the effort and actually it's succeed for that particular day but will it last long with the huge concurrent campaign?

    Need not for me to dwell on what's appreciation about if one have explored more and feel with the heart.
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    Like Zack said, keep an open mind about this issue. Know all the facts before jumping into conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aryanto View Post
    Have these experts tried some project to prove their theory or they just say that?
    If it pleases you, feel free to check out what the experts say yourself. But maybe you should know this: temperatures at the top of Kilimanjaro never rose above freezing, even at today's elevated temperatures. What is causing the ice loss is definitely not the same mechanism the way glaciers are melting due to elevated temperatures.
    Last edited by ArchRival; 24th April 2009 at 02:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aryanto View Post
    Just want to remind people that there is only one earth and not backup.

    Who want to bet using their only one? Lost and then say oops?



    Have these experts tried some project to prove their theory or they just say that?

    by the way remember elevation of singapore is not that high, I think if sea level go up 1.5m still should be OK can mobilise people to sandbag entire island but if sea level go up 2m the first thing is suddenly there is a scarcity of fresh water because the reservoirs are flooded with sea water.
    make it 3 meters and many should change passport and move to other country already.
    Your post reminds me... to share the below with all interested.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4056755.stm

    http://www.reuters.com/article/envir...080414?sp=true
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    thanks for the links
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jix View Post
    Really?

    Ive read recently that cows and sheep create more C02 than all the cars in the world just from farting. So what, are you going to kill all the cows?
    First of all, its methane. And the thawing of premafrost from rising temperatures will also trigger a big methane release.

    2nd of all, you are talking about molecule for molecule, the absorbtion of IR for methane is 20 times, but consider also how much MORE CO2 there is compared to CH4.

    Lastly, you are saying if we can't solve all contributing factors to the problem, means we can ignore the other contributing factors?
    Last edited by ahbian; 24th April 2009 at 07:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    hi all,

    pls chill leh, I started this thread basically just to share with others about this film which i find it anything to lose if one is interested to watch. Of cos we will never know which ever who and who is 100% right with their "researches" or "facts" they have. What's right and wrong? It just individual's perspectives after watching it, believe it or not is up to oneself.

    As for this film, personally i find it logical with some of the "facts" that it shown and how its been explained.

    Of cos it will be super duper funny that if i say "let SAVE the world and CHANGE the world now" then i will be the funniest joker in CS.

    This thread is just to share and not meant to "fight" or "wont want to lose argument" thing.

    Sometime i think, why we willing to use up so many quality time to do these "unnecessary" rather than do something which is more helpful or constructive?

    Or do we really need a super huge campaign then we are able to do that bit part that we can? You see, CS is one of a huge platform of photography forum and where people "meet" to share, right?

    Do you believe with this "little" strength if you comparing to the world, can do great thing if everyone can jsut help each other for good cause and it's happened. Why not now?

    A simple "Movement" do can change the world, even it just a fair bit also good. Still remember the movie, "Pay it Forward"?

    Chills people

    I agree with your points. I myself find that the movie does contain factual inaccuracies which skeptics tend to jump on and discredit the main message of conservation.

    We might not 100% prove or disprove the theory of global warming, ever. But this theory causes more distress to more because people find that they need to give up certain comforts and wealth and current ways of life.

    It is hard to prove this theory of global warming, but sometimes, we need to take at look at the reversibility principle and the precautionary principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    This campaign is to rise awareness about global warming but not to save the world immediately. It might take decades for people to truly understand and appreciate more about this little home we have, perhaps.
    Very good. So your objective is eventually to "save the world", but now you settle for rising "awareness about global warming." This is what we do on an individual level.

    You've seen the links on Bangladesh being flooded. Those poor people becoming environmental refugees. What are your thoughts on the matter? How do we help these people? What should governments/scientists/students do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchRival View Post
    Very good. So your objective is eventually to "save the world", but now you settle for rising "awareness about global warming." This is what we do on an individual level.

    You've seen the links on Bangladesh being flooded. Those poor people becoming environmental refugees. What are your thoughts on the matter? How do we help these people? What should governments/scientists/students do?
    it's no point to for me to talk with you this. You seem like quite like to "challenge"? How about want to me for kopi to talk till all you want?
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