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    Quote Originally Posted by solafide
    From a newbie perspective, the guy started off with a right spirit to be helpful in offering what he knows. Why not everybody else instead of attacking him offer constructive comments. That would help newbies have a better picture.

    Instead of feeling offended that the brand you own is reviewed with poorer standard, share with us your experience and better still, if you have experience in several brands, do a comparison and state otherwise. Why the bickering??? Does not help anyone. At least he tried to help, what about you guys?

    Forum is not a place to be personal. I really appreciated his effort, can I also have the same from everyone else? Too many brands, too many specs, too little money to try all, that's the newbies' problem.
    You talk very much like the starter of this thread.

    Looking at your profile - you just joined today ! and this is your first post ...
    ... very suspicious

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    Quote Originally Posted by solafide
    From a newbie perspective, the guy started off with a right spirit to be helpful in offering what he knows. Why not everybody else instead of attacking him offer constructive comments. That would help newbies have a better picture.

    Instead of feeling offended that the brand you own is reviewed with poorer standard, share with us your experience and better still, if you have experience in several brands, do a comparison and state otherwise. Why the bickering??? Does not help anyone. At least he tried to help, what about you guys?

    Forum is not a place to be personal. I really appreciated his effort, can I also have the same from everyone else? Too many brands, too many specs, too little money to try all, that's the newbies' problem.
    We do appreciate his effort in writing review initially. But some of us were just trying to clarify the info in his review.

    He couldn't handle advice & suggestions very well...

    Btw...Hmmm...R u related in anyway?

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    Hi

    ok i think all should cool down. i'll give points to benissez for his public spirited effort to disseminate information to educate the general public, even if said information is really disinformation.

    however, benissez , u would do well to do a bit more research and to accept feedback and criticism. u're obviously new to photography and trying to pass off like an expert here. Reminiscent, as another poster puts it, of Computer Times reviewers doing digital camera reviews (a topic which i shall not dwell on further).

    Your "review" is nothing more than a collection of personal opinions and a series of broad sweeping statements. In fact, if u're really knowledgeable enough about the consumer digicam industry, u will know it is fool hardy to attempt something like this in so little words, with not much substance. Your "facts" sound nothing more than regurgitating wat's on the net. Even then u didn't do it well

    but ur little blurb on the Pentax *ist and ur reasons why it is not a high end DSLR made me laugh. Nothing like newbies leading newbies........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn
    hmm first post and already defending the original poster............

    True, but by any measure, his point is fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benissez
    On a work like this (not paid), the onus is on those who disagree to prove there disagreement. If not, they have the right to remain silent or being viewed as sub i.
    What difference does it make whether the work is paid or unpaid? If you choose to post information here that is supposed to "help" or "guide" others, then u better get your facts straight instead of misleading newbies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ST1100
    Hey people, this is "Newbies Corner".

    If you disagree with the original author, why don't you just state your opinion, "i feel that Canon... blah blah blah..." or "My experience with Nikon is... bbb..."; i think there is room to disagree with each other amiciably.

    Let's make this thread helpful to newbies, not an warzone. There ARE many people who ask questions about diff brands.
    I'm agree with you, why don't experts here state your opinions, experiences without flaming each others, and let the readers decided

    BTW, I'm one of the newbies that would like to hear these kind of informations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilddeepocean
    I'm agree with you, why don't experts here state your opinions, experiences without flaming each others, and let the readers decided

    BTW, I'm one of the newbies that would like to hear these kind of informations...
    Tat's wat everyone was doin...We stated our opinion & suggestion, in return, we get bashing from the author...

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    Haw haw haw! I was rofl laughing... intention was good but delivery was bad. Too general to be really useful. How so?

    Example:
    Newbie looking for P&S digicam. What use is this? Judging from the list, he would avoid Casio altogether if he wants to print. Which is not true. the Exilim series can handle 4R prints and is the most portable. And would he pick Nikon? Thinking that he will have to upgrade often - when actually Nikon releases new models very slowly. How about Canon, bad resale value? Really... even for the A70s or G3s???

    Ur... I am not disputing your claims which from your point of view is true. But I question the usefulness. Its too general and sweeping for all the brands.

    Cheer up! We learn from our mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn
    Your "review" is nothing more than a collection of personal opinions and a series of broad sweeping statements. In fact, if u're really knowledgeable enough about the consumer digicam industry, u will know it is fool hardy to attempt something like this in so little words, with not much substance. Your "facts" sound nothing more than regurgitating wat's on the net. Even then u didn't do it well

    but ur little blurb on the Pentax *ist and ur reasons why it is not a high end DSLR made me laugh. Nothing like newbies leading newbies........
    I'm with Red Dawn on this. It's quite funny really BTW benissez/solafide, it's called the D60, not the 60D. Who says he doesn't know his stuff?

    Other than that, Canon has a slightly lower resale value especially when you going to sell it during the boom of another of its latest model. Think of the price of 60D when 10D was launched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    Haw haw haw! I was rofl laughing... intention was good but delivery was bad. Too general to be really useful. How so?

    Example:
    Newbie looking for P&S digicam. What use is this? Judging from the list, he would avoid Casio altogether if he wants to print. Which is not true. the Exilim series can handle 4R prints and is the most portable. And would he pick Nikon? Thinking that he will have to upgrade often - when actually Nikon releases new models very slowly. How about Canon, bad resale value? Really... even for the A70s or G3s???

    Ur... I am not disputing your claims which from your point of view is true. But I question the usefulness. Its too general and sweeping for all the brands.

    Cheer up! We learn from our mistakes.
    A rough guide to buying a cam would usually be writing a check list of wat the requirements are, e.g. macro? long or wide zoom? Printing or for web and if printing, wat size? manual controls or pns? size? look? feel? build? Then with a rough idea of wat to look for, go to places like dpreview, steves or dcresources and go through their catalogue to short list those that fit the requirements and take with a pinch of salt their reviews. Then compare sample images taken of similar objects and lighting to determine the one that produces images most satisfying to the buyer's eye. This should be the most important part of all. Finally, juz as important, go to the shop and handle the final candidates one by one to find the best compromise in terms of image satisfaction, handling etc. U can have a super duper, 10MP 20x zoom camera and end up leaving it at home cos its too big to bring travelling or U dun like the colour it produces or there is too many switches to flip :P. No 2 buyers are the same. Why would i buy a 300D if all i want is a pocket camera etc?

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    i got a feeling tat this thread is going to get close soon ~~~

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdivider
    A rough guide to buying a cam would usually be writing a check list of wat the requirements are, e.g. macro? long or wide zoom? Printing or for web and if printing, wat size? manual controls or pns? size? look? feel? build? Then with a rough idea of wat to look for, go to places like dpreview, steves or dcresources and go through their catalogue to short list those that fit the requirements and take with a pinch of salt their reviews. Then compare sample images taken of similar objects and lighting to determine the one that produces images most satisfying to the buyer's eye. This should be the most important part of all. Finally, juz as important, go to the shop and handle the final candidates one by one to find the best compromise in terms of image satisfaction, handling etc. U can have a super duper, 10MP 20x zoom camera and end up leaving it at home cos its too big to bring travelling or U dun like the colour it produces or there is too many switches to flip :P. No 2 buyers are the same. Why would i buy a 300D if all i want is a pocket camera etc?
    Heh! Precisely the point. The current generalization does not serve any useful purpose. IMHO.


    Your checklist approach would actually be more useful to a newbie as it leaves brand preferences and bias aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    Your checklist approach would actually be more useful to a newbie as it leaves brand preferences and bias aside.
    2nd that point. Comparing brands without a checklist will tend to make one lose his/her focus of the most important requirements in the camera.

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    Hi,

    Just noticed this thread late. Just with any advice you get over the internet (especially in forums), you've got to take it with a pinch of salt. Even "official" reviews may often be biased, even though they try to be as objective as possible (?).

    Personally, I believe that all cameras within a certain price bracket are the same. The level of technology is at a certain stage and all the major brands have kept abreast of this. Of course, there will be differences, but IMO, they aren't all that critical. The pros and cons tend to even out. The real deciding factors are really that of cosmetics, user-friendliness and brand loyalties.

    Peace out, yo.
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    When I was a total newbie, I was looking out for features and functionality of the camera that would suit me, not a brand.

    In the first place, to be helpful to someone new, we should not look at the brand, but the model. Brand A may have good entry level models but fails at the professional end, and Brand B may be value-for-money throughout the range. The same can be said for sensor quality, ergonomics and every other variable in a camera. When I looked at the Sony 717, it was like "YUCKS" until I held it and then I liked the grip and 'feel'. But I bought a Fuji S602 instead, for valuemany other reasons.

    It is no doubt that "branding" a brand is a sweeping statement, not too far from saying that Chinese people are business-minded and Japanese people are polite (and many other good or bad things that we can 'generalise' about other races).

    To be truly helpful to newbies, especially when it comes to brands, I guess we can discuss only about the features that are truly across the board for brands, like customer service, cost of parts, and warranty coverage.

    The original post is too much an opinion than a review. When a review is done, the good and the bad are discussed with supporting facts. What we think is an opinion.

    For benissez: I have used, played with, handled, recommended and bought digital cameras from various brands and models, and my circle of friends appreciate my opinions, but they look for reviews on dpreview and other 'lab tests'. Query: If the lawyers of Olympus comes to you asking you to prove that the C750 is unstable, as you have said, or you pay them $1million in damages to their sales, what is your defence?

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    Hmmmm... isn't this about as silly as a review on motherboard brands or canned soup or instant noodles...? "Myojo more upgradeable taste than Koka" Tsk tsk. That isn't the way to go for building ego.
    ... but then again, I guess this thread will soon be sans its starter...

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    Eh, where the author went? Trying to spice things up here ah?! Feeling like the old AP Forum days again

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    I so seriously think that its some stunt account to liven things up. hehehehehehe.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by benissez
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    I'm telling people off because they reply for all the wrong reasons and just try to win somthing out of this. But know that if you wanna win amicably, show me you're right. I don't have to slog on every detail to self-justify.
    so after initial ticking off regarding the pay-to-shoot-windsurfers thing, this is the next Big Show? sigh. you have even awoken the Big Uncle ZeusS to come out and voice his opinion already... teeheehee

    i love casio for the days when the QV100 was the HOT thing. 320x240 pixels if i remember correctly - how ever horrid and flat the colours were then, i'm glad it has improved

    but one thing for sure, regardless of who starts the post, it is still an open forum. even microsoft is opening up, why shouldn't you? oddly enough, all brands are criticized. how come hasselblad and mamiya are spared? after all, it's ALL camera brands reviewed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavenderlilz
    What difference does it make whether the work is paid or unpaid? If you choose to post information here that is supposed to "help" or "guide" others, then u better get your facts straight instead of misleading newbies.
    I am back!

    OMG.... this benissez later charge all viewers a "viewing fee" for viewing his controversial review. And he will end off with saying that many newbies have pmed him and complimented him for an excellent review.

    Monkey Crap!!!

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