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    Default parliament passes new bill

    saw this on hwz

    Under the new Bill, three types of activities will require permits: Those that demonstrate support for or against views or actions of any person, group of persons or any government; those that publicises a cause or campaign; and those that mark or commemorate any event.

    Many sporting and recreational activities will be exempted. This means that 50 per cent of activities that now require permits will no longer be regulated by permit.

    There will also be changes to the penalty regime. First-time offenders will be fined and repeat offenders will face stiffer penalties.

    The Act will also give police officers new powers to issue pre-emptive "move-on" orders, which will be in written form, ordering demonstrators not to congregate at the intended rally area, or give them a chance to leave without getting arrested.

    The police will also get special powers for international events, which Mr Shanmugam describes as "trophy targets for terrorists", where they can search people and personal property.

    Police could even take such a person, who is believed to have such a film or picture, into custody if he refuses to stop filming or surrender his materials. But this does not apply to routine police duties.

    http://www.nanyang100.com/singapore/5490.html
    anyone know how this affects photography in public?
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    Sir here's your bill.


    $100 please.


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    Police could even take such a person, who is believed to have such a film or picture, into custody if he refuses to stop filming or surrender his materials. But this does not apply to routine police duties.


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    I've read some internet chatter that has dubbed this bill, the Chee Soon Juan law :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    I've read some internet chatter that has dubbed this bill, the Chee Soon Juan law :P
    haha ya in relation back to the little screening he did a while back.
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    Not so much that, more of the going to IMF and related stuffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    haha ya in relation back to the little screening he did a while back.

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    The laws we have are good at protecting the interest of the government but are very very poor at protecting consumers rights. SLS and Lucky Plaza are proof of how weak our laws are.

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    Actually good at protecting the interest of BOTH the govt and the companies, but weak in protecting the poeple and the consumers.

    Apparently the officila policy eason is to attract companies to come, damn the people The reason apparently is that strong consumer laws may dissuade companies to come - but how true is that, we can only discuss

    Quote Originally Posted by obfuscate View Post
    The laws we have are good at protecting the interest of the government but are very very poor at protecting consumers rights. SLS and Lucky Plaza are proof of how weak our laws are.

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    I just read something very funny about the debates that was reported in the ST.

    Chiam had a concern about his election rallies where his supporters picked him up and off they go, and feared such a move will amount to holding a procession without a permit. Shanmugam said "the factt hat MrChiam has not been charged so far shows he's probably not breached the law and he should not have to worry".

    1. Aren't they debating about the new law? Ie, he can be charged under the new regime, but obviously at the time he was carried off (in the past), there was no new regime.

    2. Even discounting (1) above, it is wrong to say that just because someone isn't charged, means he has not breahced the law. You can breach the law and not yet get charged - case in point - homosexual activities, where homosexual acts are illegal, yet the Govt says they will not be enforcing the law and the law is essentially there just for show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post

    2. Even discounting (1) above, it is wrong to say that just because someone isn't charged, means he has not breahced the law. You can breach the law and not yet get charged - case in point - homosexual activities, where homosexual acts are illegal, yet the Govt says they will not be enforcing the law and the law is essentially there just for show.
    Vince is referring to prosecutorial discretion. Can be quite controversial at times, right Vince?

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    Default Re: parliament passes new bill

    please be reminded to keep political discussions out of CS

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    Yup, I think it is a very controversial topic. My own personal view is that such discretion must be exercised very judiciously, otherwise there will no longer be certainty or consistency in the legal process or legal framework.

    Quote Originally Posted by spindoctor View Post
    Vince is referring to prosecutorial discretion. Can be quite controversial at times, right Vince?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Yup, I think it is a very controversial topic. My own personal view is that such discretion must be exercised very judiciously, otherwise there will no longer be certainty or consistency in the legal process or legal framework.
    eh for now i'm just asking how's this affect us if we shoot on location. let's keep the politics out of this b4 the thread can fulfill its intended purpose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    Police could even take such a person, who is believed to have such a film or picture, into custody if he refuses to stop filming or surrender his materials. But this does not apply to routine police duties.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    eh for now i'm just asking how's this affect us if we shoot on location. let's keep the politics out of this b4 the thread can fulfill its intended purpose

    the keyword to note is in bold

    this is only if you refuse to stop and/or surrender the images upon request
    i don't see the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    anyone know how this affects photography in public?
    a reminder on the topic of discussion

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    So let's pose this dilemma of shooting at a public location...
    You like shooting building exteriors and want to shoot the exterior of Ren Ci Hospital or the National Neuroscience Institute at Irrawaddy Road which also happens to be opposite the New Phoenix Park where there are explicit signs of not permitting any photography or video. So how can or not?

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    does the signs specify which areas it is referring to?

    if yes then just don't shoot it and if/when the police ask you to stop and show then your photos, then show them lor

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    Quote Originally Posted by creampuff View Post
    So let's pose this dilemma of shooting at a public location...
    You like shooting building exteriors and want to shoot the exterior of Ren Ci Hospital or the National Neuroscience Institute at Irrawaddy Road which also happens to be opposite the New Phoenix Park where there are explicit signs of not permitting any photography or video. So how can or not?
    exactly what i was asking. the explicit signs forbidding photography is extremely stupid esp if its in a touristy spot.
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    The problem is that right now, the Bill as tabled, does not limit it to routine police activities, despite what the Minister says.

    The problem with what the Minister says and what is law is, that whilst Hansard can be used to interpret the law, most people don't even know where to go and get the Hansard.

    Take a look at Sylvia Lim's speech here, where the details are discussed:

    http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/...ic-order-bill/

    Scroll to the section called "Filming Of Law Enforcement Activities"

    That's the problem with ST reports and everything - it may not show the full picture.


    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    the keyword to note is in bold

    this is only if you refuse to stop and/or surrender the images upon request
    i don't see the problem

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    Honestly, I'll wait for the bill to pass into an Act before spending the time to review it. No point review and then its changed then I need to review it twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    eh for now i'm just asking how's this affect us if we shoot on location. let's keep the politics out of this b4 the thread can fulfill its intended purpose

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