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    With the bruhaha all over town on the organizer who let ST reproter into his shoot, and the clandestine reporter who infiltrated a shoot last year, I have a few questions.

    Do we know our organizers? Meaning, can we trust our organizers to do the right thing. The organizer who let the reporter into his shoot claimed that if the photographers are not comfortable, he will tell the reporter to leave. Sorry, too late, they are shooting in a public place, and anyone can take picture of anything in public. DUH! And journalist will claim said pictures are newsworthy, nothing any of the photographer can do.

    Do we know what are the intentions of all the other fellow photographers there shooting? Is one or more than one of the photographers infiltrating the shoot for intentions other than getting good or even not so good images of the model?

    What can we do??? What should we do??

    I am asking this question to organizers, who needs to protect the photographers and models from infiltrators, and to the photographers, whom must protect themselves from an organizers whom had cut other under the table deals with someone whose intention is not taking pictures of the model.

    I don't want to and intent to bash anyone. However this is a lesson we must learn. The word is not a safe place for photographers.
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    Organisers going for presidency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    Organisers going for presidency?
    You mean must see their FBI files before signing up for a photoshoot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    With the bruhaha all over town on the organizer who let ST reproter into his shoot, and the clandestine reporter who infiltrated a shoot last year, I have a few questions.

    Do we know our organizers? Meaning, can we trust our organizers to do the right thing. The organizer who let the reporter into his shoot claimed that if the photographers are not comfortable, he will tell the reporter to leave. Sorry, too late, they are shooting in a public place, and anyone can take picture of anything in public. DUH! And journalist will claim said pictures are newsworthy, nothing any of the photographer can do.

    Do we know what are the intentions of all the other fellow photographers there shooting? Is one or more than one of the photographers infiltrating the shoot for intentions other than getting good or even not so good images of the model?

    What can we do??? What should we do??

    I am asking this question to organizers, who needs to protect the photographers and models from infiltrators, and to the photographers, whom must protect themselves from an organizers whom had cut other under the table deals with someone whose intention is not taking pictures of the model.

    I don't want to and intent to bash anyone. However this is a lesson we must learn. The word is not a safe place for photographers.
    The so called "clandestine reporter" is from the press and would have difficulty to use the photograph for the article if the organiser refused to allow him to take shots.

    There would not be sufficient details with regards to the taken shots...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    The word is not a safe place for photographers.
    Bro, you mean "this world is not a safe place for photographers"?
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    Most photoshoots are conducted in a very professional manner.
    Photographers are there to take pictures. Nothing sleazy going on behind the curtains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Most photoshoots are conducted in a very professional manner.
    Photographers are there to take pictures. Nothing sleazy going on behind the curtains.
    haha then your "location" seems to hint that there is something mildly sleazy going on in CS

    Well, when I first saw the Straits Times article, the unspoken intention seemed very clear, based on the composition of the photograph. There we have a 'model' with with quite sizeable assets, wearing little clothing, and 2 guys in very casual attire 'shooting' her whilst another holds the reflector. To me it seemed like they portrayed photoshoots as something sleazy.

    These are private events, be it at the beach, or in a hotel room. The media should not have been invited along or told of the shoot location. It's like an invasion of privacy of the photographers.
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    There are usually nothing sleezy going on in most photoshoot, especially organized one in public places.

    First of all, the reporter can jsut shoot for afar and still use the pictures. As far as details about the shoot, he will just make them up if necessary. As it is, the info presented are at best 1/2 truth or partially accurately.

    Safe. We get chased by rent-a-cops, security guards, someone official looking, uncles at the stores, aunties at the markets, and now, we need to watch our back to see none of the other photographers are snapping our backside clandestinely, or even our face. What has this world become.

    FBI files will not apply here in Singapore.

    I ahve no idea what we the photographers and they the organizers must do to protect everyone. But something must be done!!!!!
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    joining photoshoots ain't the same anymore... watch out for spy cams among real cams guys. & keep ur distance from the XMMs & L(ao)MMs!!

    dun say nobody warn har!
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    damn, must wear bright jewelry & carry flashy items to throw other spy's meter off the charts!!
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    to be honest, we dun know.

    i guess after this recent incident, more will be concerned about their privacy in future shoots..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    joining photoshoots ain't the same anymore... watch out for spy cams among real cams guys. & keep ur distance from the XMMs & L(ao)MMs!!

    dun say nobody warn har!
    Like that we cannot do couching tiger stance or hidden dragon stance anymore?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Like that we cannot do couching tiger stance or hidden dragon stance anymore?

    that a poor example... must post a pic of army guys blending into the surrounding. if ur surrounding is all XMMs, betta look like 1 oso!!

    that pic, i got super-duper sore-eyez oso can spot him...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Like that we cannot do couching tiger stance or hidden dragon stance anymore?
    Why not? Photographer will still do whatever it takes to get the picture, up front or clandestinely.
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    it might be possible the organizer didn't know
    ST is known for such tricks..
    on another side, do they really need permission to publish pics from an paying event they joined as a news report?



    I would think the organiser wished to show that the photoshoots he orgs are not sleazy..
    but then media's angle on the story is the possible sleaze so naturally they might wanna slant the photo to that side..

    I haven c the photo yet but it might also be the person viewing that photo that feels that its sleaze(being affected by the text)

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrephoto View Post
    The so called "clandestine reporter" is from the press and would have difficulty to use the photograph for the article if the organiser refused to allow him to take shots.

    There would not be sufficient details with regards to the taken shots...
    hello, its public space, even police cant stop the reporter from taking photos of the group, so u think the org can stop him? have u not been reading cs forum about streets photography?

    the question here is, dp, correct me if i mis-interpreat ur post, is did the org has the interest of the photogs and models as 1st priority?



    taken quite sometime back, i wanted to show the security is having a good time, no shooting the model. the org come to me and requested me not to shoot the model, which was not my intention in the 1st place. so i said ok.

    i could have continue shooting the models if i wanted to, who in the right mind will stop me? law in on my side, physical advantage is also mine. but the fact is, the org was very friendly and i have no interest to shoot models.

    what they can do is, form a human wall like panelty kick in soccer match lor. thats within their right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee View Post
    hello, its public space, even police cant stop the reporter from taking photos of the group, so u think the org can stop him? have u not been reading cs forum about streets photography?

    the question here is, dp, correct me if i mis-interpreat ur post, is did the org has the interest of the photogs and models as 1st priority?



    taken quite sometime back, i wanted to show the security is having a good time, no shooting the model. the org come to me and requested me not to shoot the model, which was not my intention in the 1st place. so i said ok.

    i could have continue shooting the models if i wanted to, who in the right mind will stop me? law in on my side, physical advantage is also mine. but the fact is, the org was very friendly and i have no interest to shoot models.

    what they can do is, form a human wall like panelty kick in soccer match lor. thats within their right.
    darn good example
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    haha then your "location" seems to hint that there is something mildly sleazy going on in CS

    Well, when I first saw the Straits Times article, the unspoken intention seemed very clear, based on the composition of the photograph. There we have a 'model' with with quite sizeable assets, wearing little clothing, and 2 guys in very casual attire 'shooting' her whilst another holds the reflector. To me it seemed like they portrayed photoshoots as something sleazy.

    These are private events, be it at the beach, or in a hotel room. The media should not have been invited along or told of the shoot location. It's like an invasion of privacy of the photographers.

    Hahaha, my location has been there for quite long liao.

    Some of the guys here should know it was meant as a pun to another member's comments in kopitam some time back.

    This moral polices comes in here, start a thread and condemn the types of the photos posted in the "Portraits and Poses" section, he was accusing CS members of using that section to share soft porn material under the guise of photography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post

    I ahve no idea what we the photographers and they the organizers must do to protect everyone. But something must be done!!!!!
    i know i know... i guess all got to be as rich as mr DP... to have own home studio den can shoot safely protecting all the models and photographer.. make sure all curtains are closed properly too..wan shoot what also can hor... hahaha.. your photograph did give all a great idea.. we shall all work towards your direction...

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    Interesting thread. I thought the newspaper article was quite mild. The only "sensational" part seems to be the fact that a bikini was worn. Plus the picture showing 2 guys in odd positions - btw to the layman, it may seem they were up to something but to all the photogs we all know that sometimes we need to shoot a certain angle and we all end up like that. Darn why can't they release swival screen DSLR so that we can shoot like "decent" men.

    Newspaper article seem to sensationalise the money part. I don't think the models or organisers are earning much from it. Also the article failed to report accurately on the practice of TFP (or currently called TFCD). This practice has been around for a long long time in the industry. New models need shots for portfolio for free, photographer needs free models for a shoot - so a mutually beneficial exchange is made - Time For Prints / Time For CDs. Article seems to imply that some models are posing in bikinis for free.

    But like I said, its a mild article. Some facts involved. But the bikini is there probably to provide some interest. Don't think it would be so interesting if its a shoot on a old man mending a model ship or a body builder hammering some steel - those seem to be the ways the shoots were going in the old photographic societies.

    As for organisers including reporters in their shoot. I dont think its fair to inform the participants only during the last minute. That being said, I am sure the involved parties could have walked away with a refund - unless I am mistaken of course.
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