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    Sure, although I think if you quote it to a retailer, he will just look like he has question marks on top of his head:

    Regulation 77 of the Goods and Services Tax (General) Regulations

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    Vince, mind giving the citation for the law (section etc). Might come in handy one day

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    And since when anyone can get their GST back for any other type of goods/services?
    Foreigners can get GST back as you know.....but for goods only lah

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    Yes I know, but I don't understand why you relate it back to restaurants.

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    Foreigners can get GST back as you know.....but for goods only lah

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Yes I know, but I don't understand why you relate it back to restaurants.
    Because the discussion was about quoting before GST mah! Restaurants are allowed to do this which is strange as there is no reason to do this, shops can do this as there is a possibility for foreigners can get the GST back, so there is some reason to quote without GST.......

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    I absolutely hate this whole GST shenanigan.

    I'm so used to a big explicit sign at the bottom of the menu, or in the shop, which tells me straight away if all prices have been taxed or not.

    each time I go back to Singapore (especially within the first week or so), I get a very rude shock when it comes to taxes (and its inclusion in the final bill, as opposed to being worked into the cost of the items in the first place).

    after a while, I just get used to it. although I never fail to let sales people know that what they're doing isn't exactly ethical and could possibly even be in contradiction to a certain business law.
    chicken fight!

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    Well, I gave you the official reason above and it has nothing to do with foreigners getting GST back.

    Quote Originally Posted by hongsien View Post
    Because the discussion was about quoting before GST mah! Restaurants are allowed to do this which is strange as there is no reason to do this, shops can do this as there is a possibility for foreigners can get the GST back, so there is some reason to quote without GST.......

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    When tourists try to claim the GST back, they need to show the goods as well as the receipts. They can't possibly show what they have eaten the night before, even if they can, I don't think the GST refund officer want to see it.

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    That's because GST refund is only applicable to goods brought out of Singapore. Restaurants are considered as goods/services consumed in Singapore, and hence, do not fall within the refund framework.

    Quote Originally Posted by CS TAN View Post
    When tourists try to claim the GST back, they need to show the goods as well as the receipts. They can't possibly show what they have eaten the night before, even if they can, I don't think the GST refund officer want to see it.

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    Arrow Re: price quoted before GST

    You can report to IRAS about the store.

    There is a department handling such cases.

    HTH.

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    so tax payers, now we are standing on a firm ground to deal with those sales people and shops quoting customer goods price at the absence of GST. You can speak alittle louder if any sales person quote you in this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    That's because GST refund is only applicable to goods brought out of Singapore. Restaurants are considered as goods/services consumed in Singapore, and hence, do not fall within the refund framework.
    So, there is less reason to quote WITHOUT GST isn't it?

    I think you don't understand why I put up the restaurant thing, cause I found that pretty strange all the while I was here

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongsien View Post
    So, there is less reason to quote WITHOUT GST isn't it?

    I think you don't understand why I put up the restaurant thing, cause I found that pretty strange all the while I was here

    HS
    i think restaurant should put their price after GST and service tax in. if not those items which you unaware like those wet tissue packs, peanuts and all bo liao thing which is not reflected out on the menu and will start to show its true colours on the invoice....

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    You've to show the immigration officers the goods for GST.

    For food, it comes out brown after 8 hours how to show and claim GST ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtemujin View Post
    You've to show the immigration officers the goods for GST.

    For food, it comes out brown after 8 hours how to show and claim GST ?
    show them to our T3 new toilet, get the immigration people to wait for few minutes. after that tell them to go in and see.....confirm the by-products is from Singapore.......ask them like this can claim GST back or not....

    haha,,,,just for joke

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    Well, if the quote specifically states "price before GST", is that then still illegal? That's on all the e-quotes from a very popular shop here...
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    Yes I don't understand why. Like I said, whether the exception is given has NOTHING to do with tourists or whether they can claim back.

    You may THINK there is a logical link, but there isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by hongsien View Post
    So, there is less reason to quote WITHOUT GST isn't it?

    I think you don't understand why I put up the restaurant thing, cause I found that pretty strange all the while I was here

    HS

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    Yup, I think it will be illegal. Here's a list of examples which are allowed/not allowed (from IRAS, not from me):

    Quotation
    All written and verbal quotations must include the GST component.

    Advertisement
    All prices stated on the advertisements should be inclusive of GST. The following clauses are not acceptable:
    - "Prices stated are subject to GST"
    - "Prices stated are exclusive of GST"
    - "Prices stated are before GST"

    Price Display Acceptable?
    $107 Yes
    $107 (including GST) Yes
    $100 + No
    $100 + GST No
    $100 + 7% GST No
    $100 + $7 GST No

    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Well, if the quote specifically states "price before GST", is that then still illegal? That's on all the e-quotes from a very popular shop here...

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    Well, it's not so much because of food turning brown or having to show, but goods/services consumed in Singapore are not tax refundable.

    Same goes to your hotel stay and the like.

    Quote Originally Posted by xtemujin View Post
    You've to show the immigration officers the goods for GST.

    For food, it comes out brown after 8 hours how to show and claim GST ?

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    Time to lobby for it!! I can only tell you what the current law is, though, if any changes are to be made, then lobby!

    Quote Originally Posted by ggodetucsamoht View Post
    i think restaurant should put their price after GST and service tax in. if not those items which you unaware like those wet tissue packs, peanuts and all bo liao thing which is not reflected out on the menu and will start to show its true colours on the invoice....

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Yup, I think it will be illegal. Here's a list of examples which are allowed/not allowed (from IRAS, not from me):

    Quotation
    All written and verbal quotations must include the GST component.

    Advertisement
    All prices stated on the advertisements should be inclusive of GST. The following clauses are not acceptable:
    - "Prices stated are subject to GST"
    - "Prices stated are exclusive of GST"
    - "Prices stated are before GST"

    Price Display Acceptable?
    $107 Yes
    $107 (including GST) Yes
    $100 + No
    $100 + GST No
    $100 + 7% GST No
    $100 + $7 GST No
    Interesting. This would mean one of the recommended shops here is in violation of that law.
    Alpha

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