Friend tell me fuji f200exr is the best in its price range, its true?

[khhome06]

friend tell me becos of its bigger ccd size at 1/1.6 size, no any camera at its price range offer this size, therefore its produce better pictures, its true?

It's true that a camera of 1/2.5 size will never match one with 1/1.6, given all other things being equal, thank!

[Anson]

Originally Posted by khhome06 friend tell me becos of its bigger ccd size at 1/1.6 size, no any camera at its price range offer this size, therefore its produce better pictures, its true? It's true that a camera of 1/2.5 size will never match one with 1/1.6, given all other things being equal, thank!

Got abit of truth (your pixel density)... but it is hard to get all thing equal...

[Reportage]

Originally Posted by khhome06 friend tell me becos of its bigger ccd size at 1/1.6 size, no any camera at its price range offer this size, therefore its produce better pictures, its true? It's true that a camera of 1/2.5 size will never match one with 1/1.6, given all other things being equal, thank!

depends on the QC...if take 10 units and test, whats the chances all will give the same result.

for its price, i rather get a 2nd hand dslr + an 18-200 lens and be done with it plus if need something smaller, maybe those $99~$199 PnS cameras.

[khhome06]

Originally Posted by Anson Got abit of truth (your pixel density)... but it is hard to get all thing equal...

oic, if not equal and
i only limit myself to compact camera (exclude proconsumer/slr), will it make a different in term of image quality to chose camera that offer "manual" exposure/focus such as cannon ixus 980.

in another word can this type of compact camera take better photos in manual mode vs fuji f200exr auto mode?

thank!

[Reportage]

Originally Posted by khhome06 oic, if not equal and i only limit myself to compact camera (exclude proconsumer/slr), will it make a different in term of image quality to chose camera that offer "manual" exposure/focus such as cannon ixus 980. in another word can this type of compact camera take better photos in manual mode vs fuji f200exr auto mode? thank!

Manual gives you flexibility for creativity but in just about all cases, most use either P, Tv, A modes. Nice pictures depends on how well you know your camera.

[khhome06]

Originally Posted by Reportage depends on the QC...if take 10 units and test, whats the chances all will give the same result. for its price, i rather get a 2nd hand dslr + an 18-200 lens and be done with it plus if need something smaller, maybe those $99~$199 PnS cameras.

cos if i buy a new camera, i'm not the only person using in my family; they prefer ultra-compact, therefore i'm limited.

[khhome06]

Originally Posted by Reportage Manual gives you flexibility for creativity but in just about all cases, most use either P, Tv, A modes. Nice pictures depends on how well you know your camera.

thk.

[B-setting]

maybe u could buy 2 cameras?

one compact for the family, and one DSLR for yourself? why limit yourself from enjoying the wonders of DSLR?

[teebs]

Originally Posted by khhome06 oic, if not equal and i only limit myself to compact camera (exclude proconsumer/slr), will it make a different in term of image quality to chose camera that offer "manual" exposure/focus such as cannon ixus 980. in another word can this type of compact camera take better photos in manual mode vs fuji f200exr auto mode? thank!

IXUS series do not have full manual settings. You need to get either the Powershot A, S, SX or G series to have full manual modes though the Powershot A1000, A2000, E1 do not have full manual controls either. I think only the A590 has full manual controls in the current A series.

[ortega]

from the samples that i see on the internet

i believe that this is a really good P&S camera
but you need test the actual thing for yourself

[Anson]

Originally Posted by Reportage for its price, i rather get a 2nd hand dslr + an 18-200 lens and be done with it plus if need something smaller, maybe those $99~$199 PnS cameras.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think it is easy to get a 2nd hand dslr (12MP) + an 18-200 (IS) lens under S$479 (current selling price of the F200EXR). Of coz it is also like comparing apple & orange...

Originally Posted by khhome06 in another word can this type of compact camera take better photos in manual mode vs fuji f200exr auto mode?

The main "selling point" of the F200EXR is it's new "Super CCD EXR" sensor, from reviews it is quite good for a PnS camera. Having a manual mode does not make your photo better, it just give you more control over your setting.

Originally Posted by teebs IXUS series do not have full manual settings. You need to get either the Powershot A, S, SX or G series to have full manual modes though the Powershot A1000, A2000, E1 do not have full manual controls either. I think only the A590 has full manual controls in the current A series.

I don't really recommend the Canon A series, mainly because despite having manual control over your photos, the IQ is not that fantastic (compared to their S & G series). As it is using AAs batteries, the flash recycle rate is slow...

[Rashkae]

Originally Posted by Anson I don't really recommend the Canon A series, mainly because despite having manual control over your photos, the IQ is not that fantastic (compared to their S & G series). As it is using AAs batteries, the flash recycle rate is slow...

Well, it's kinda their budget range anyway.

[Omega23]

Originally Posted by Reportage depends on the QC...if take 10 units and test, whats the chances all will give the same result. for its price, i rather get a 2nd hand dslr + an 18-200 lens and be done with it plus if need something smaller, maybe those $99~$199 PnS cameras.

Yeah.. $460 can get a 2nd hand DSLR + 18-200mm lens.. perhaps you can show us how u do it..

[roygoh]

I have been using the F100fd for about a year and very happy with it. Last week I gave it to my father, so I am now in the market for a new compact.

I believe the F200EXR should be at least as good as, if not better than, the F100fd. With the wide dynamic range sensor it will open up more creative opportunities for the photographer.

Having said that, I also came across the reviews and sample photos of the Panasonic LX3, and have to say I am really impressed also.

The LX3 has managed to gather a large fan group, and the camera seems to be out of stock everywhere. Check out the pictures in the Panasonic subforum. Having seen F100fd pictures for the past months I have to say the LX3 compares very well, and with the 24mm equiv wide angle f2.0 lens plus 16:9 format I am really attracted by this camera.

[teebs]

Originally Posted by Anson Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think it is easy to get a 2nd hand dslr (12MP) + an 18-200 (IS) lens under S$479 (current selling price of the F200EXR). Of coz it is also like comparing apple & orange... The main "selling point" of the F200EXR is it's new "Super CCD EXR" sensor, from reviews it is quite good for a PnS camera. Having a manual mode does not make your photo better, it just give you more control over your setting. I don't really recommend the Canon A series, mainly because despite having manual control over your photos, the IQ is not that fantastic (compared to their S & G series). As it is using AAs batteries, the flash recycle rate is slow...

Canon A series is the really budget series of Canon so can't really expect too much from these cameras. That said, I have used 2 of their older A series before and I can say that they are value for money.

But on a side note, I found that the IXUS 980IS DOES have M control. It is the first IXUS to offer full manual control over aperture and shutter speed according to the online brochure I saw on the canon website.

And according to its specifications, it uses a 1/1.7" CCD which is practically the same as the f200exr. Price wise, I think it should be ard $600. Saw a second hand one selling at $550 at Cash Converter JE.

[khhome06]

Originally Posted by B-setting maybe u could buy 2 cameras? one compact for the family, and one DSLR for yourself? why limit yourself from enjoying the wonders of DSLR?

thk! but i really don't have the budget, 400+ really the max and my mum actually not very happy really. In fact 400+ is i save for many months, i go library borrow a lot of book to read on photography, so i know dslr is good, but really out of my reach.

[khhome06]

Originally Posted by Anson Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think it is easy to get a 2nd hand dslr (12MP) + an 18-200 (IS) lens under S$479 (current selling price of the F200EXR). Of coz it is also like comparing apple & orange... The main "selling point" of the F200EXR is it's new "Super CCD EXR" sensor, from reviews it is quite good for a PnS camera. Having a manual mode does not make your photo better, it just give you more control over your setting. I don't really recommend the Canon A series, mainly because despite having manual control over your photos, the IQ is not that fantastic (compared to their S & G series). As it is using AAs batteries, the flash recycle rate is slow...

yup, size limited to compact, no choice. i know manual mode dont alway give good photo, and have no intention to buy the "best" camera; justtrying to learn more from manual control.

[khhome06]

Originally Posted by roygoh I have been using the F100fd for about a year and very happy with it. Last week I gave it to my father, so I am now in the market for a new compact. I believe the F200EXR should be at least as good as, if not better than, the F100fd. With the wide dynamic range sensor it will open up more creative opportunities for the photographer. Having said that, I also came across the reviews and sample photos of the Panasonic LX3, and have to say I am really impressed also. The LX3 has managed to gather a large fan group, and the camera seems to be out of stock everywhere. Check out the pictures in the Panasonic subforum. Having seen F100fd pictures for the past months I have to say the LX3 compares very well, and with the 24mm equiv wide angle f2.0 lens plus 16:9 format I am really attracted by this camera.

yup, lx3 is good, i like the multi exposure option, too bad too exp for me.

[Anson]

Originally Posted by teebs Canon A series is the really budget series of Canon so can't really expect too much from these cameras. That said, I have used 2 of their older A series before and I can say that they are value for money.

I had also used the older A series during my first trip to Munich... It is a "convenient" PnS as I don't need to worry about batteries... but the ASPM control & IQ are not that fantastic...

[khhome06]

Originally Posted by teebs Canon A series is the really budget series of Canon so can't really expect too much from these cameras. That said, I have used 2 of their older A series before and I can say that they are value for money. But on a side note, I found that the IXUS 980IS DOES have M control. It is the first IXUS to offer full manual control over aperture and shutter speed according to the online brochure I saw on the canon website. And according to its specifications, it uses a 1/1.7" CCD which is practically the same as the f200exr. Price wise, I think it should be ard $600. Saw a second hand one selling at $550 at Cash Converter JE.

oh thk, maybe can search for cheaper ixus 980 at second hand shop like cash converter. ixus 980 offer manual focus too, apart from control over aperture and shutter speed,
but i think its sensor size is smaller becos its megapixel is higher.

i did some search, nikon s710 also offer manual control, and the price range in well within 400+, i think panasonic fx520 also. i'm considering nikon s710.