the choice lies with you
in this case, i would not join the contest
if the contest has few/no/substandard entries then it would reflect badly on the organiser
if they know that it is because of their t&c and in the first place it is not their intention to grab ownership of your photos then i would think they will change their T&C in future contests.
please keep politics out of this discussion
I will leave immediately, for good, because I can sense my doomsday is near if I don't.
I hereby sign-off with another quote from Nietzsche (thanks to bro night86mare, I started reading my college Philosophy textbooks again):
"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs the torments of mankind."
Last edited by KopiOkaya; 9th March 2009 at 10:07 PM.
Back to the original topic and original thread... I don't see where there was too much OT? Except for brief reference about me being "high priest (getting) holier than thou" the rest was pretty much about the contest, its terms and conditions and the issue of the organiser not respecting copyright.
Yes, KopiOKaya and I devitated a bit but we subsequently removed those threads.
I feel that in any announcement about photo contests, it is IMPORTANT to discuss the terms and conditions and related issues like the integrity and intention of the organiser.
I, for one, do not normally read T&Cs carefully. If Clause #18 had not been highlighed in the thread, I would have just taken part without realising that I would lose my copyright just by submitting.
I appreciate it being highlighted and discussed. Otherwise, I just blur blur anyhow submit...
Removing all this discussion is, I feel, being very narrow minded in defining what it OT.
So far I got reply from STB saying they understand and appreciate my feedback and would "sort it out" and inform me (if changes are made).
As I mentioned earlier, there had been laws changed as a result of feedback from public. These include laws on home brewing of beer, bar top dancing, closing time for pubs/ discos, etc.
If people just accept and say no diff, then of course no diff.
maybe a petition to show STB, just how many photographers disagree with the T&C
Sure will post BIG BIG if I get positive news. Meanwhile, here is, small small, the email I received at close to midnight on Friday night:
Thank you for your advice on the copyrights issue here. We will definitely take your suggestions seriously. We totally understand your point. Do bear with us as we sort this out. We will update you once we review this.
STB person seems to be working very hard.
"STB is a big fan of copyright. We respect yours and reserve our own. You retain all rights to your work. By submitting your work here, you grant STB the rights to do the following: put it on the web, on print, and use it in our promotions. We thank our participants for the awesome photos submitted here."
This was almost the exact wording that I had "copied" from JPG Magazine and emailed to them as an example of RESPECT FOR COPYRIGHT.
In practice, do you seriously think they want to keep using the same pixs for more than say, three or five years? I would think not even more than 2 years!
If STB or any organisation continues to use my images for long long time, I would feel proud and happy rather than upset. For it only means that my image has long-lasting value and appeal :-)
i have posted these questions in the "Singapore In Pixels thread.
"hi richard, do u happen to know if this is only applicable to those photo that win prizes or is it for all the enteries, regardless win or not?
also, if they have the rights to use those photos, does that means the same photos, we can use them commercially for other client? will there be problem with STB or the new client?
last, does that means we cant sell the exclusive rights to another customer for ever, since STB never states how long they hold the rights to use the photo as they deem fits?
as richard is not with STB (trying my luck to see if he has more info), he might not be able to answer. so it is open to all also, will there be legal issues?
photography makes one sees things from all angles.