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Old 26th February 2009   #1
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How do you deal with your curly film? I noticed some are by nature very curly. Yet others seem to behave themselves most of the time, but still occasionally produce some goldilocks. 120 films are the most problematic. I also noticed drying them in aircon rooms produce the worst results. Does hanging them out too long to dry also bring on the curls? How do you scan curly 120 film? Put it under a heavy book for a day or 2?
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How do you deal with your curly film? I noticed some are by nature very curly. Yet others seem to behave themselves most of the time, but still occasionally produce some goldilocks. 120 films are the most problematic. I also noticed drying them in aircon rooms produce the worst results. Does hanging them out too long to dry also bring on the curls? How do you scan curly 120 film? Put it under a heavy book for a day or 2?
How do you process your film post fixer?
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How do you process your film post fixer?
I give it a rinse in 20deg water, dip it in a hypo solution for 3 mins, rinse it thoroughly again in 20deg water. After that, I hang it out in the toilet with the door closed for about 3 hours, sometimes overnight.
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I give it a rinse in 20deg water, dip it in a hypo solution for 3 mins, rinse it thoroughly again in 20deg water. After that, I hang it out in the toilet with the door closed for about 3 hours, sometimes overnight.
What type of film are you using?
I have found that using good neg clips, the type that punctures the film at both ends, then adding a plastic peg or two to the bottom end helps straighten out the negs. This really solved the "telescope roll" experienced when I started home dev. More weight at the bottom of the negs helps straighten and more time = straighter in my experience.
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I too put a peg at the bottom of the roll when it drys.

After it drys and I put them into the sleeves, if they still curl I'll sandwich the sleeve under some thick books and leave them overnight. They'll usually straighten out after that.

Hope this helps.

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Has anyone tried sandwiching film under a glass plate in a flatbed like EpsonV700?
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Has anyone tried sandwiching film under a glass plate in a flatbed like EpsonV700?
I think the Epson needs to be the exact distance to work, there is no focusing ability. I am considering getting the glass from the link below. But it doesn't seem to fit the stock 120mm holder. The Kodak slides I just collected from Ruby look flat, place them in the holder and they become garbled.

Thanks guys. I'll give the extra weight method a try this weekend.
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http://www.scanscience.com/index.html ?
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http://www.scanscience.com/index.html ?
Price looks okay. The whole process of fluid mounting sounds messy.

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This is a sample of a scan not quite right. On the loupe, the image is perfectly sharp. The scan is a little fuzzy.

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This is a sample of a scan not quite right. On the loupe, the image is perfectly sharp. The scan is a little fuzzy.

How is the scan "fuzzy"?

Scanning is not that straight forward a process, you need to sharpen it upon scanning and then another time upon output (depending on where you outputing to).
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looks gd to me...
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Don't see the canon 8800F here... guess it's not supported.

Output so far is good. But can see the advantage of wet method.
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I am still confused how the Scan Science's Lumina wet mount works...

anybody can share more info on it?

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How is the scan "fuzzy"?

Scanning is not that straight forward a process, you need to sharpen it upon scanning and then another time upon output (depending on where you outputing to).
Sorry should had provided a bit of details. The picture has already gone thru photoshop. The point in contention is the two signs on the left and right of the escalators. When I view the slides thru a loupe, they are perfectly sharp. Try hard, but I can't seem to get a scan anywhere near the original slides.
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Sorry should had provided a bit of details. The picture has already gone thru photoshop. The point in contention is the two signs on the left and right of the escalators. When I view the slides thru a loupe, they are perfectly sharp. Try hard, but I can't seem to get a scan anywhere near the original slides.
Hard to tell from such a small photograph.

I'm using a Betterscanning mounting station, which helps me to adjust the height at which the film rests on the scanning glass. I also tape (wet mounting is just too much of a pain) the film to the scanning glass (not the scanner's glass, the scanning station glass) to make sure it's as flat as I can get it.
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Hi Erv and everyone,

Is anyone using the ANR glass inserts with 35mm on the V700?

These certainly look easy to use. The flimsy plastic holders on the V700 always make me feel insecure.

http://www.betterscanning.com/scanni...s/vseries.html

I just wonder whether since you can't insert the film strips all the way past the clips, you can still scan six frames in one strip?
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Hi Erv and everyone,

Is anyone using the ANR glass inserts with 35mm on the V700?

These certainly look easy to use. The flimsy plastic holders on the V700 always make me feel insecure.

http://www.betterscanning.com/scanni...s/vseries.html

I just wonder whether since you can't insert the film strips all the way past the clips, you can still scan six frames in one strip?
Hi,

I'm using the ANR glass and frame from better scanning with a V700.

I find generally that the 135 films are OK and do not require the ANR glass mounting method as the curl does not exceed 1mm in most cases. The Better Scanning frame allows you to adjust focus precisely, as the plastic clips on the V700 that are used to adjust the frame height is fixed at 2 positions. Get the frame for 135 use.

But on 120 film, the ANR glass is a must. It is very easy to tape the negs onto the glass and to stretch them flat for scanning. I can clearly see improved results with the system.

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Default Re: How to deal with curly film?

How about the "wet mount" way as suggested by the other website? http://www.scanscience.com/index.html.

Anybody has experience with it that can document what to do for scanning say on the epson V700?

I'm keen to get the V700/V750 with the wetmount or ANG solution. Also, i need to know whether it can be delivered fast enough so that when i return to this sad place, i can start to digitize some of the negs

much help appreciated

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Hi all,

Solution here. Quick and cheap. Scanning curly 120mm film
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