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    My first ops manning nothing happens. The 2nd ops manning clashes with my post grad exam period. I emailed the NS portal regarding my issue, only to hear from a call from a junior staff from a camp (instructed by the chief clerk) that i'm expected to return in between my exam timing if an activation occurs, i.e. i completed my papers today at 6pm and instead of preparing the papers tomorrow at 9am, i will have to go for the ops manning sign in sign out. i would think that every mins the day before the papers count, isn't it true for anyone who have taken exams before? i dunno if an exemption is allowed, could it be reasonably just that 3 days (2 days exam) or would it be easier for them adminstratively to exempt the whole duration.

    in addition, it sounded very funny, the ops manning falls exactly in the same duration as the ICT which i have defered due to the same reason. how would a unit already in camp be arranged to go for an ops manning, and if the ICT for the same duration is exempted, shouldn't the ops manning follows?

    it sounded like i'm being brushed off with just a verbal notice, and thought that i should write in formally so that they will take things more seriously, although i really dun want to make things difficult for anyone. i didn't think that calling up further will help as there is no proof of whatever so that is said even if promised. i also dun trust the people inside will care much as long as it causes hassle to them.

    any further advices on how to go about doing that?

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    hai i also worry about my ict in the future unlike those going local uni can avoid it for 3 yrs...heard before those in part time nus/ntu studies approaching exam period also kena call up for ict with no chance for deferment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    My first ops manning nothing happens. The 2nd ops manning clashes with my post grad exam period. I emailed the NS portal regarding my issue, only to hear from a call from a junior staff from a camp (instructed by the chief clerk) that i'm expected to return in between my exam timing if an activation occurs, i.e. i completed my papers today at 6pm and instead of preparing the papers tomorrow at 9am, i will have to go for the ops manning sign in sign out. i would think that every mins the day before the papers count, isn't it true for anyone who have taken exams before? i dunno if an exemption is allowed, could it be reasonably just that 3 days (2 days exam) or would it be easier for them adminstratively to exempt the whole duration.

    in addition, it sounded very funny, the ops manning falls exactly in the same duration as the ICT which i have defered due to the same reason. how would a unit already in camp be arranged to go for an ops manning, and if the ICT for the same duration is exempted, shouldn't the ops manning follows?

    it sounded like i'm being brushed off with just a verbal notice, and thought that i should write in formally so that they will take things more seriously, although i really dun want to make things difficult for anyone. i didn't think that calling up further will help as there is no proof of whatever so that is said even if promised. i also dun trust the people inside will care much as long as it causes hassle to them.

    any further advices on how to go about doing that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon_84 View Post
    hai i also worry about my ict in the future unlike those going local uni can avoid it for 3 yrs...heard before those in part time nus/ntu studies approaching exam period also kena call up for ict with no chance for deferment.

    i went for my local uni studies, AND I STILL got called up for ops manning, reservists, blah blah blah. depends on what units you are serving in, and if they are core units...

    talk to your PC or OC or unit S1, about this problem. they will be understanding enough. and recalls/turnouts are always on saturdays, so not much of a chance you have an exam on sundays....
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    From someone who has to sit on the other sit of the fence, I usually try to understand the situation, but if it is a simple sign in and sign out mob, you will probably be asked to continue with this.

    It is a hassle no doubt, but you can be the first to sign and leave, that can be arranged.
    And it has been mentioned, there is usually no exams on Sundays.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by petetherock View Post
    TS:

    From someone who has to sit on the other sit of the fence, I usually try to understand the situation, but if it is a simple sign in and sign out mob, you will probably be asked to continue with this.

    It is a hassle no doubt, but you can be the first to sign and leave, that can be arranged.
    And it has been mentioned, there is usually no exams on Sundays.

    Cheers

    PS: great info thread on back packing / photos - no NZ or Aus though?
    exams on mon and tue. if it is on sat or before (more likely but not guaranteed rite?), it might be fine.

    however, although verbally i have been told sign in sign out, would there be problems when i return since verbal no proof? i have not been to an ops manning before, so dunno actual situation.

    nope, NZ and aus on low priority. wanted a cheap place good for variety including portraits. have been to perth for my sis wedding though.

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    As far as I am aware, sign in and sign out should apply to all, not individuals.

    Not sure if it helps, but the recalls that my friends and I had (different units) always falls on Saturday. Magic hour is 2pm.

    And when you have the S1 clerk calling you repeatedly on days leading up to the Saturday, chances are high there will be mobilisation and vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahbian View Post
    As far as I am aware, sign in and sign out should apply to all, not individuals.

    Not sure if it helps, but the recalls that my friends and I had (different units) always falls on Saturday. Magic hour is 2pm.

    And when you have the S1 clerk calling you repeatedly on days leading up to the Saturday, chances are high there will be mobilisation and vice versa.
    yep, more like scan in scan out. haha. they use scanning nowadays, no more signing in and out. after scanning in will go somewhere nearby to lay out your field pack, and den after checking, can go back. so if you wanna chop chop go in and out, better make sure your fieldpack items are all there. or else, go beg borrow steal from someone who has already checked his.. haha.

    if all goes smooth.. half hour in out max, provided you are not area IC or any KAH. my last turnout had an entire brigade flooding the camp. i went in and out in half hour...
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    I rather not talk too much about our SAF ops manning in a forum, but perhaps you can ask friends in the same unit about what it entails.

    Simple mobs are quite fast, I assure you

    Anyway (OT) - hope you can add some info on NZ and Oz

    Good luck with the exams.

    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    exams on mon and tue. if it is on sat or before (more likely but not guaranteed rite?), it might be fine.

    however, although verbally i have been told sign in sign out, would there be problems when i return since verbal no proof? i have not been to an ops manning before, so dunno actual situation.

    nope, NZ and aus on low priority. wanted a cheap place good for variety including portraits. have been to perth for my sis wedding though.
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    All the mob ops that I have attended or have heard of are on Sats. The main reason is so that they can conduct ops without having to pay people their salary. I have not yet heard of a case where ops is on a working day.

    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    exams on mon and tue. if it is on sat or before (more likely but not guaranteed rite?), it might be fine.

    however, although verbally i have been told sign in sign out, would there be problems when i return since verbal no proof? i have not been to an ops manning before, so dunno actual situation.

    nope, NZ and aus on low priority. wanted a cheap place good for variety including portraits. have been to perth for my sis wedding though.

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    thanks guys, i think i will just leave things as such and hope it dun occur on the sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petetherock View Post
    I rather not talk too much about our SAF ops manning in a forum, but perhaps you can ask friends in the same unit about what it entails.

    Simple mobs are quite fast, I assure you

    Anyway (OT) - hope you can add some info on NZ and Oz

    Good luck with the exams.
    Agree with petetherock, maybe some sensitive issue shouldn't be discussed in a forum... Harmless it may seem to be but a good place to collect intel if you get what I mean...

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    I would send an email to get the official reply if i were you. Verbal is no "warranty" so to speak

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    Quote Originally Posted by weevil84 View Post
    Agree with petetherock, maybe some sensitive issue shouldn't be discussed in a forum... Harmless it may seem to be but a good place to collect intel if you get what I mean...
    unit and date are not stated as already aware of sensitivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watsup View Post
    I would send an email to get the official reply if i were you. Verbal is no "warranty" so to speak
    email sent in, and reply that relevant departments will contact me (by phone, so no warranty so to speak). only thing is how far should i go out to request for that written reply when a call was already made, cos i dun really want to create a hoo-ha over something that may not occur in the end - which is why i need to hear some advices from as many people who have been through it before...

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    You can record the conversation as proof if you are expeciting a call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    You can record the conversation as proof if you are expeciting a call.
    got to find out how to do that.... can it be done with a handphone, or must it be a home phone with certain functions...?? need to find out some basic idea before googling for relevant info.

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    Speaker phone plus recorder?
    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    got to find out how to do that.... can it be done with a handphone, or must it be a home phone with certain functions...?? need to find out some basic idea before googling for relevant info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    got to find out how to do that.... can it be done with a handphone, or must it be a home phone with certain functions...?? need to find out some basic idea before googling for relevant info.
    Dun worry too much on this and spend more time preparing for your upcoming exams instead... When it has to come, it will come Did you see any "symptom" of it? Just hope that there is no spillover if it really comes... that one is no fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoossh View Post
    My first ops manning nothing happens. The 2nd ops manning clashes with my post grad exam period. I emailed the NS portal regarding my issue, only to hear from a call from a junior staff from a camp (instructed by the chief clerk) that i'm expected to return in between my exam timing if an activation occurs, i.e. i completed my papers today at 6pm and instead of preparing the papers tomorrow at 9am, i will have to go for the ops manning sign in sign out. i would think that every mins the day before the papers count, isn't it true for anyone who have taken exams before? i dunno if an exemption is allowed, could it be reasonably just that 3 days (2 days exam) or would it be easier for them adminstratively to exempt the whole duration.

    in addition, it sounded very funny, the ops manning falls exactly in the same duration as the ICT which i have defered due to the same reason. how would a unit already in camp be arranged to go for an ops manning, and if the ICT for the same duration is exempted, shouldn't the ops manning follows?

    it sounded like i'm being brushed off with just a verbal notice, and thought that i should write in formally so that they will take things more seriously, although i really dun want to make things difficult for anyone. i didn't think that calling up further will help as there is no proof of whatever so that is said even if promised. i also dun trust the people inside will care much as long as it causes hassle to them.

    any further advices on how to go about doing that?
    Just write in with the proper paper proof. Normally they'll grant you an exemption. If not, seek an audience with the S1 or G1 (manpower) normally that will helps.
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