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    Preferably ctas stroking themselves!
    Have seen some licking themselves though...
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    i see cat outing, i want

    is it morning/afternoon? because i got evening class
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    Have seen some licking themselves though...
    Yah! 'PRETEND' to clean toy snake ftw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    I like to work with existing light mostly.

    Some of the best and award-winning food photographers use only existing light as far as possible.

    But whether one uses existing light or artificial light sources, it's still imperative that one knows how to control light, and to use what's required for a given task be it one or multiple sources, including modification.

    There's always more than one way to skin a cat, and KISS is always a good approach, but while I try to use as few sources as possible for technical reasons, I won't hesitate to build-up the set with what ever lights necessary. However, the opposite side of the equation are the folks that add and add light on indiscriminately.

    You mentioned adding an opposing flash to counter one set of shadows earlier, but what it also does is add another set of shadows. Look at a football game where 4 light sources are used to light up the playing field. Each player has FOUR sets of shadows!

    Also, using speedlights (as opposed to using studio flash) is one of the easiest ways of making life living hell, because you literally do not have prolonged preview.
    Yeah.. true... time to get back to basics and figure out the simple ways of getting rid of those shadows first...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    Yah! 'PRETEND' to clean toy snake ftw!
    Wonders if Nai Meh does tat....
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    Wonders if Nai Meh does tat....
    ...i'm not from cirque de soleil..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zac08 View Post
    Yeah.. true... time to get back to basics and figure out the simple ways of getting rid of those shadows first...
    I notice one thing ... very broadly speaking ... local togs like to use very few lights, where as say, American togs like to use more. But I've seen boith over-'cooked' as well as really well-controlled examples from the US base, so it's hard to fault or credit the number of lights used. Still goes back to CONTROL, and control will never be good if UNDERSTANDING is not there.

    OK, GTG dinner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    I notice one thing ... very broadly speaking ... local togs like to use very few lights, where as say, American togs like to use more. But I've seen boith over-'cooked' as well as really well-controlled examples from the US base, so it's hard to fault or credit the number of lights used. Still goes back to CONTROL, and control will never be good if UNDERSTANDING is not there.

    OK, GTG dinner!
    Seems about there... I guess local togs go for light touch...

    or mebbe we don't have as much cash to kill as the togs over there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by zac08 View Post
    Seems about there... I guess local togs go for light touch...

    or mebbe we don't have as much cash to kill as the togs over there....
    Hmm...well, if you look at the Americans, everything they do is BIG! BIGGER IS BETTER! MORE! MORE! MORE! HUGE FAKE BOOBS! HUGE HP ENGINES! LARGE CALIBER GUNS! LARGE Productions AND not only huge, but MORE MORE MORE ... you get the idea.

    However, in all fairness, there are lots of instances where the techniques they develop and sometimes, the equipment that gets designed to facilitate those techniques answer more complex needs.

    I was speaking with a commercial togs I used to work with, and she told me it wasn't a lack of funds or space (since most studios are located in industrial areas with huge floor space and very high ceilings), but more a matter of approach.

    Remember, with each single flash you add, you make the task at LEAST 3 TIMES more difficult because control gets compounded, so adding and adding may add more problems than it solves if that infinite degree of control isn't there. THAT control takes TIME, and time for the working pro is MONEY. And very often that's money that clients aren't willing to spend. So, in the final analysis, you're partly right in that togs over there have tons waay more resources to utilize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royaux View Post
    i see cat outing, i want

    is it morning/afternoon? because i got evening class
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    *dinner mode*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    Hmm...well, if you look at the Americans, everything they do is BIG! BIGGER IS BETTER! MORE! MORE! MORE! HUGE FAKE BOOBS! HUGE HP ENGINES! LARGE CALIBER GUNS! LARGE Productions AND not only huge, but MORE MORE MORE ... you get the idea.

    However, in all fairness, there are lots of instances where the techniques they develop and sometimes, the equipment that gets designed to facilitate those techniques answer more complex needs.

    I was speaking with a commercial togs I used to work with, and she told me it wasn't a lack of funds or space (since most studios are located in industrial areas with huge floor space and very high ceilings), but more a matter of approach.

    Remember, with each single flash you add, you make the task at LEAST 3 TIMES more difficult because control gets compounded, so adding and adding may add more problems than it solves if that infinite degree of control isn't there. THAT control takes TIME, and time for the working pro is MONEY. And very often that's money that clients aren't willing to spend. So, in the final analysis, you're partly right in that togs over there have tons waay more resources to utilize.
    I engaged a Japanese photographer to do a fashion accessory shoot years ago. He also does aerial and other industrial product shoots. I was told by one of his local assistants that it took them more then one day to get the lighting just right to shoot a medium format photo of 'pills'. Mixture of a number of flashes, bounce screens..etc Now that's dedication heheh...

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    I engaged a Japanese photographer to do a fashion accessory shoot years ago. He also does aerial and other industrial product shoots. I was told by one of his local assistants that it took them more then one day to get the lighting just right to shoot a medium format photo of 'pills'. Mixture of a number of flashes, bounce screens..etc Now that's dedication heheh...
    Take longer - can charge for more DAYS taken mah! SMART tactics!

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    Take longer - can charge for more DAYS taken mah! SMART tactics!
    heheheh..... no lah... saw his work then...very good stuff. He takes on project that is not rushed. he gives you a price and he just goes at it if it peak his interest. Can't recall his name now...he use to have a studio in Toa Payoh industrial park back then... damn...getting old... OH yes..he has SINARs!!! heheheh

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    Yeah, I know of people like that.

    Some cannot work under time pressure, and some just prefer to 'craft' perfection taking their time doing it. The latter, they are the true 'craftsmen'. Unfortunately, most of the time, won't last long in the local maggie-mee-ai-chee-ai-pee-ai-tua-liap-quickie environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    Yeah, I know of people like that.

    Some cannot work under time pressure, and some just prefer to 'craft' perfection taking their time doing it. The latter, they are the true 'craftsmen'. Unfortunately, most of the time, won't last long in the local maggie-mee-ai-chee-ai-pee-ai-tua-liap-quickie environment.
    well that is where he balance it with what we call "rice bowl" projects lor heheh which also means he throws it to his more senior assistance to do the main shoot while he show his face to QC abit heheheh....

    okie..time to go finish my PC game... OverLord. Wah...go some many levels thought I fnish the game and then got abit more story heheh......

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    O hai....

    Tainted photo is nice....but somehow i don't light the black background on this subject....

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    S5Pro stocks coming soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    O hai....

    Tainted photo is nice....but somehow i don't light the black background on this subject....
    Oh haiiii.... just home from french theatre.... thanks
    hmm... I chose black bg cause thats the only clean backdrop I have... if not I've white. Any suggestions on the background? cause I shot in my room de. Like how I can improve in terms of bg.
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